namliaM said:
I believe that rule in TGOMTG was in affect due to most beginners being addicted to them. Since it was a training game I believe he chose that to get us to experience playing without them. I see no reason that rule should be used here.
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I believe that rule in TGOMTG was in affect due to most beginners being addicted to them. Since it was a training game I believe he chose that to get us to experience playing without them. I see no reason that rule should be used here.
3000 BC (0)
Switch research project to CB
MM for +1 gold
2950 BC (1)
IT: Barb attacks, reg promotes to vet
Granary >> Settler
2900 BC (2)
2850 BC (3)
Lux up to 50%
2800 BC (4)
2750 BC (5)
Kill the other barb
See a hut next to a brown border
IT: Settler >> Settler
2710 BC (6)
Lux down to 40%
Pop the hut for 25 gold and meet Russia. They have BW, M, WC, CB, and 0 gold.
2670 BC (7)
2630 BC (8)
Niagara Falls founded, begins granary (this can be changed)
IT: Ottoman warrior appears
Salamanca Settler >> Worker
2590 BC (9)
Ottomans have BW, M, TW, WC, CB, and 0 gold. They do not have Alphabet.
Option 1: A + 29 = BW + WC + CB
Option 2: A + 21 = TW
If we trade for The Wheel, we might be able to trade that to Russia for two techs. However, Russia may be unwilling to trade 2-for-1 if she is researching The Wheel. So, after some though, I make the 3-for-1 trade before popping a hut that spewed barbarians. Ottomans also have Mystisicm, and may very well be studying Polytheism. Russia is up only Masonry.
Lux down to 20%
IT: Ottomans kill one barb, a second dies attacking our warrior.
2550 BC (10)
Warrior has not moved, to keep Ottoman and barbarian warriors in view.
As it is, Salamanca can run 4-turn settlers at 6+8+7+9, but will have to give up both BG if N.Falls is going to be a second SF. We'll need several workers to quickly irrigate the plains and mine the other BG so that Salamanca can run 4-turn settlers without two of the BGs.
Assuming 9 out of 10 shields, N.Falls can run 4-turn settlers without expansion at size 5 to 6 with growth to 7 as the settler is complete.
Switch research project to CB
MM for +1 gold
2950 BC (1)
IT: Barb attacks, reg promotes to vet
Granary >> Settler
2900 BC (2)
2850 BC (3)
Lux up to 50%
2800 BC (4)
2750 BC (5)
Kill the other barb
See a hut next to a brown border
IT: Settler >> Settler
2710 BC (6)
Lux down to 40%
Pop the hut for 25 gold and meet Russia. They have BW, M, WC, CB, and 0 gold.
2670 BC (7)
2630 BC (8)
Niagara Falls founded, begins granary (this can be changed)
IT: Ottoman warrior appears
Salamanca Settler >> Worker
2590 BC (9)
Ottomans have BW, M, TW, WC, CB, and 0 gold. They do not have Alphabet.
Option 1: A + 29 = BW + WC + CB
Option 2: A + 21 = TW
If we trade for The Wheel, we might be able to trade that to Russia for two techs. However, Russia may be unwilling to trade 2-for-1 if she is researching The Wheel. So, after some though, I make the 3-for-1 trade before popping a hut that spewed barbarians. Ottomans also have Mystisicm, and may very well be studying Polytheism. Russia is up only Masonry.
Lux down to 20%
IT: Ottomans kill one barb, a second dies attacking our warrior.
2550 BC (10)
Warrior has not moved, to keep Ottoman and barbarian warriors in view.
As it is, Salamanca can run 4-turn settlers at 6+8+7+9, but will have to give up both BG if N.Falls is going to be a second SF. We'll need several workers to quickly irrigate the plains and mine the other BG so that Salamanca can run 4-turn settlers without two of the BGs.
Assuming 9 out of 10 shields, N.Falls can run 4-turn settlers without expansion at size 5 to 6 with growth to 7 as the settler is complete.
Pre-Turn: Fortify our warrior for now, to watch the show.
IT: Ottomans whip the barb. Salamanca Worker>Worker.
2470 BC: Grand River founded, shows a barb parked to the south.
IT: Salamanca Worker>Settler
2430 BC: Set slider at 7/0/3
2390 BC (IT): Our warrior falls to the barb south of Grand River.
2350 BC: Spot Ottoman border across the waters. Set slider at 6/0/4
IT: Ottomans are building the Oracle
2310 BC (IT): Salamanca Settler>Settler. Hmm, theres an interesting exploit. Whoops!
2270 BC: Grand River switches to Warrior. It needs some sort of defense.
IT: Grand River Warrior>Worker.
2230 BC: Forgot to switch slider. Set to 7/0/3
IT: Too focused on Salamanca and NF riots.
2190 BC: Set slider at 6/0/4.
-There is a settler currently in Grand Rapids who still has movement.
-NF is currently working two unimproved tiles adjacent to the river. Do not put them on the bg. On the IT of this turn Salamanca will use the bg during growth to finish the settler. So far the bg has been passed back and forth every other turn between Salamanca and NF.
-In 2310 I accidentally used an exploit, or more appropriately learned of one. Both Salamanca and NF have been sharing one of the mined bgs. Salamanca popped the settler on growth using the mined bg. I than took the citizen off that tile to work a different tile. NF also grew in population on the exact same turn. After the IT when I clicked on NF I noticed they also worked the mined bg tile on growth. So during that turn both cities worked the same mined bg tile during the same turn. Interesting.
-IMO this is an exploit but can be used to our advantage. Such as when Salamancas settler is finished before exiting out of the city view use the arrows to scroll to NF. Put one of the citizens to work the now unused bg. IMO this is an exploit but its up to the group (or Nerovats) to decide on whether we use it or not. If we do use it we will seriously be cheating as well be doubling up on that tile every four turns.
Here's the save.
Roster:
Nerovats- On Deck
Mathias
Methos- Just Played
namliaM- Up
IT: Ottomans whip the barb. Salamanca Worker>Worker.
2470 BC: Grand River founded, shows a barb parked to the south.
IT: Salamanca Worker>Settler
2430 BC: Set slider at 7/0/3
2390 BC (IT): Our warrior falls to the barb south of Grand River.
2350 BC: Spot Ottoman border across the waters. Set slider at 6/0/4
IT: Ottomans are building the Oracle
2310 BC (IT): Salamanca Settler>Settler. Hmm, theres an interesting exploit. Whoops!
2270 BC: Grand River switches to Warrior. It needs some sort of defense.
IT: Grand River Warrior>Worker.
2230 BC: Forgot to switch slider. Set to 7/0/3
IT: Too focused on Salamanca and NF riots.
2190 BC: Set slider at 6/0/4.
-There is a settler currently in Grand Rapids who still has movement.
-NF is currently working two unimproved tiles adjacent to the river. Do not put them on the bg. On the IT of this turn Salamanca will use the bg during growth to finish the settler. So far the bg has been passed back and forth every other turn between Salamanca and NF.
-In 2310 I accidentally used an exploit, or more appropriately learned of one. Both Salamanca and NF have been sharing one of the mined bgs. Salamanca popped the settler on growth using the mined bg. I than took the citizen off that tile to work a different tile. NF also grew in population on the exact same turn. After the IT when I clicked on NF I noticed they also worked the mined bg tile on growth. So during that turn both cities worked the same mined bg tile during the same turn. Interesting.
-IMO this is an exploit but can be used to our advantage. Such as when Salamancas settler is finished before exiting out of the city view use the arrows to scroll to NF. Put one of the citizens to work the now unused bg. IMO this is an exploit but its up to the group (or Nerovats) to decide on whether we use it or not. If we do use it we will seriously be cheating as well be doubling up on that tile every four turns.
Here's the save.
Roster:
Nerovats- On Deck
Mathias
Methos- Just Played
namliaM- Up
Niagara Falls can and should use the BG this turn. Salamanca's new citizen will use the third BG on growth. Since commerce is counted first, before growth, the fact that this other BG is not roaded is a non-issue. Even better, if we move lux to 50%, Salamanca can use that third BG now, and a forest on growth to complete the settler. This way, Niagara Falls can use both of the BGs this turn. Once we get those plains irrigated, Salamanca won't need either of the two BGs that it shares with Niagara Falls.
Taking a closer look, I see that Salamanca can already run 4-turn settlers without using either of the two shared BGs.
T1, size 4: cattle, BG, wheat, forest = +5 food, 6 shields
T2, growth to 5: new citizen on forest, add 8 shields (14 total)
T3, size 5: 5th citizen moved to plains = +5 food, 7 shields (21 total)
T4, growth to 6: new citizen on forest, add 9 shields (30 total)
It should run like this without emphasize production, but I would set that option for all cities. Production is the only thing affected by a new citizen, so we always want the new citizen on the highest production tile.
Taking a closer look, I see that Salamanca can already run 4-turn settlers without using either of the two shared BGs.
T1, size 4: cattle, BG, wheat, forest = +5 food, 6 shields
T2, growth to 5: new citizen on forest, add 8 shields (14 total)
T3, size 5: 5th citizen moved to plains = +5 food, 7 shields (21 total)
T4, growth to 6: new citizen on forest, add 9 shields (30 total)
It should run like this without emphasize production, but I would set that option for all cities. Production is the only thing affected by a new citizen, so we always want the new citizen on the highest production tile.
namliaM
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Preturn Send the Settler N to the Mountain Town.
IT Settler done,
1@2110
MM Salamanca to the SF setting
MM Niagara Falls to the mined BGs, Granary in 10
Lux to 20%
IT Barb tent appears near our Norther scout
2@2070
Emphisise production in Salamanca and Niagara
MM NIagara to -to be- mined Grass, Lux 50, We are low on MP force...
IT Grand River Worker> Worker
3@2030
MM Salamance to Plains
Found Allegheny> Warrior (Ack right next to Barb Tent !!!!!)
Lose Northern scout on barb tent
IT 2 Barbs near the tent near Alleg!
4@1990
Reg warrior out of Grand River Kills Barb Warrior and promotes (2/4)
Found Cattaraugus> Curragh
Cattaraugus is going to be sacked next turn... Buy Iron Working for 209g from Ottomans
We have Iron! It is just west of "New City 3"
IT Get Kicked from Ottoman lands
Cattaraugus Sacked, lose 1gold
Salamanca Settler
5@1950
zzz
6@1910
MM Niagara to roaded grass, Granary in 2, Lux 40
Niagara MP to Salamanca
Meet Japan, NW of Ottoman
Geez... They know all the techs and have 278g
Ottomans have spend our cash by either paying tribute to Japan or Buying a tech from them.
IT Grand River Worker> Barracks
7@1870
Catt is about to get sacked by the second warrior... Buy The Wheel.... We have horses too!
Japan 7gpt+ 30g
Ottomans 7gpt + 25g
Russia 7gpt+ 30g, I will take Russia... As I traded with Ottomans before... Dont want a Runaway AI over 5g
IT Catt Sacked, lose 1g
Niagara Granary> Settler
8@1830
zzzz
9@1790
MP from salamanca to Niagara
Now Russia has all the gold in the (known) world
IT Barb Horse sacks Chinook, loose 2g
More barbs appraoch from the N
10@1750
Vet warrior take Barb Tent
It is sacrificing a growth, but MM Niagara to produce a settler in 2
Cannot upload the pic and sav to the upload folder for some reason.. So they are simply attached ...
Note: There is a Barb Warrior NORTH of our last scout... I didnt want to chance it...
IT Settler done,
1@2110
MM Salamanca to the SF setting
MM Niagara Falls to the mined BGs, Granary in 10
Lux to 20%
IT Barb tent appears near our Norther scout
2@2070
Emphisise production in Salamanca and Niagara
MM NIagara to -to be- mined Grass, Lux 50, We are low on MP force...
IT Grand River Worker> Worker
3@2030
MM Salamance to Plains
Found Allegheny> Warrior (Ack right next to Barb Tent !!!!!)
Lose Northern scout on barb tent
IT 2 Barbs near the tent near Alleg!
4@1990
Reg warrior out of Grand River Kills Barb Warrior and promotes (2/4)
Found Cattaraugus> Curragh
Cattaraugus is going to be sacked next turn... Buy Iron Working for 209g from Ottomans
We have Iron! It is just west of "New City 3"
IT Get Kicked from Ottoman lands
Cattaraugus Sacked, lose 1gold
Salamanca Settler
5@1950
zzz
6@1910
MM Niagara to roaded grass, Granary in 2, Lux 40
Niagara MP to Salamanca
Meet Japan, NW of Ottoman
Geez... They know all the techs and have 278g
Ottomans have spend our cash by either paying tribute to Japan or Buying a tech from them.
IT Grand River Worker> Barracks
7@1870
Catt is about to get sacked by the second warrior... Buy The Wheel.... We have horses too!
Japan 7gpt+ 30g
Ottomans 7gpt + 25g
Russia 7gpt+ 30g, I will take Russia... As I traded with Ottomans before... Dont want a Runaway AI over 5g
IT Catt Sacked, lose 1g
Niagara Granary> Settler
8@1830
zzzz
9@1790
MP from salamanca to Niagara
Now Russia has all the gold in the (known) world
IT Barb Horse sacks Chinook, loose 2g
More barbs appraoch from the N
10@1750
Vet warrior take Barb Tent
It is sacrificing a growth, but MM Niagara to produce a settler in 2
Cannot upload the pic and sav to the upload folder for some reason.. So they are simply attached ...
Note: There is a Barb Warrior NORTH of our last scout... I didnt want to chance it...
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Not a lot happend. There's a barb camp somewhere in south west.
Short log:
Pre-turn
change Grand River to archer
1725BC
found Oil Springs and Tonawanda
1675BC
found Mauch Chunk
1600BC
Barb horse from east kills archer move settler back
change Grand River to spear
1500BC
found St. Regis
Should settle last couple of cities then start to build an army. We're falling so far behind in techs we won't be able to trade, unless the curaghs are gona find some new contacts.
Short log:
Pre-turn
change Grand River to archer
1725BC
found Oil Springs and Tonawanda
1675BC
found Mauch Chunk
1600BC
Barb horse from east kills archer move settler back
change Grand River to spear
1500BC
found St. Regis
Should settle last couple of cities then start to build an army. We're falling so far behind in techs we won't be able to trade, unless the curaghs are gona find some new contacts.
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