NES2 V - The Great Game.
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Prussia agrees (although possibly some modifications should be done with the borders, after all they are a result of chaotic fighting and thus should be changed slightly as to make more sense), but doubts that HRE will.
The HRE already refused to talk of peace, so this Treaty is only an agreement between Sweden and Prussia so that all Governments of the world know Swedens intentions of the war, and so that Prussia will know what to expect once HRE is defeated or actually agrees to peace.
das
Regeneration In Process
...so you could get back to the fighting now.
MjM
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Grr, an ingerident to my plan happens to be gone for the weekend. So I wont do orders till then.
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das said:...so you could get back to the fighting now.
Fighting is always good....
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We bid you a good day then, your majesty.
Zygmungt IV slumped onto his chair when the last of the szlachts finally left. He was subjected to protests and pleas from various nobles around the nation, complaining about the sudden lost in labour and asking for compensation. Despite knowing the fact that theyre conveniently occluding the profit theyre gaining from investing in the new industry, Zygmungt played along. He was the one who set the wheel in motion, and he wasnt about to let it stop, even amidst the mounting costs. Zygmungt was by no means a clever businessman, but he was convinced that whatever he is paying now is well worth the associated gains in the future.
His resting time was cut short when his financial minister entered the room, with a look of amusement written over his face. Although it may not seem so at first glance (many people still dont believe it as a matter of fact), Bazyli is a close relative of the royal family. A rather old member too, having lived over seven decades in the turmoil lands of Poland. Zygmungt often wondered why he was still kept in service. Rumours have it that he was the one responsible for turning Poland from a corruption filled and poor land into the prosperous nation it is today. Zygmungt didnt believe those rumours, until now.
You called for me, your majesty? Bazyli bowed as he addressed Zygmungt.
Sigh, its bad enough as it is without having to endear your mockery, grand-uncle. With any other person Zygmungt may have followed the customs, but not the man who played an important role in putting him on the throne. It was a dangerous time when his father had died. The kingdom was perilously close to being divided by the confederationalists, as Zygmungt was still too young to govern directly. Zygmungt never found out the exact details how Bazyli kept the nation together during his reign as the regent. You knew this was going to happen, didnt you?
Im not a seer, Zygmungt. Zygmungts accusatory look still remained. Though I did imagine something of the sort would happen.
Zygmungt frowned. Why didnt you speak up? It IS a ministers duty to advise his monarch. Especially when the minister is you.
Bazyli shook his head slightly. I wont always be here to advise you, as much as I would love for that to happen. Im well over seventy already. Besides, would you have listened?
Of course I would. Zygmungt and Bazyli both knew it was a lie. Either way, thats not a good enough reason to not voice your opinion. This is quite the serious matter now.
Nothing serious enough that you cant handle, Zygmungt. Youll have to learn that the life of being a monarch isnt always smooth, Zygmungt. There are many times when in theory a policy may sound appealing, but those are only theories. There are too many factors in life that are out of your control. Experience will help in avoiding/recognizing some of those factors, but never expect everything to go the way you want them to.
So what do you propose now, grand uncle? By your logic I should take advantage of your council as much as possible since it wont be available for much longer.
Nothing that you dont have in mind already. The outcome will probably be similar to what you envisioned, if you let it run its path alone. Give them a push if need be, but do not try to guide them with a leash. Your books tell you as much, dont they?
They do. But they also leave out quite a bit. That or they dont know half as much as they claim they do.
Bazyli smiled. Theyre all idealists, Zygmungt. They only see what they want to see, and write what they believe in. It may not always be the truth.
Zygmungt laughed. I guess I was guilty of that as well then.
Surprisingly for Zygmungt, Bazyli became serious. You are, and that is one of the most fatal mistakes monarchs in the past have made. You need to be aware of whats outside your vision as well. It may very well save your life one day, Zygmungt.
Zygmungt thought about this for a while, before asking th equestion that plagued his mind. How can I do that? Im but one man, a reckless and inexperienced one too, as all of Poland must be thinking by now.
The answer is simple, and has been in front of you for a while now. Take full advantage of your resources, Zygmungt. Youre not alone in wishing the best for Poland. Do not be afraid to share your burden. Its really quite taxing to try to do everything by oneself. This I can tell you from experience, and it is an experience you dont want to repeat.
Zygmungt IV slumped onto his chair when the last of the szlachts finally left. He was subjected to protests and pleas from various nobles around the nation, complaining about the sudden lost in labour and asking for compensation. Despite knowing the fact that theyre conveniently occluding the profit theyre gaining from investing in the new industry, Zygmungt played along. He was the one who set the wheel in motion, and he wasnt about to let it stop, even amidst the mounting costs. Zygmungt was by no means a clever businessman, but he was convinced that whatever he is paying now is well worth the associated gains in the future.
His resting time was cut short when his financial minister entered the room, with a look of amusement written over his face. Although it may not seem so at first glance (many people still dont believe it as a matter of fact), Bazyli is a close relative of the royal family. A rather old member too, having lived over seven decades in the turmoil lands of Poland. Zygmungt often wondered why he was still kept in service. Rumours have it that he was the one responsible for turning Poland from a corruption filled and poor land into the prosperous nation it is today. Zygmungt didnt believe those rumours, until now.
You called for me, your majesty? Bazyli bowed as he addressed Zygmungt.
Sigh, its bad enough as it is without having to endear your mockery, grand-uncle. With any other person Zygmungt may have followed the customs, but not the man who played an important role in putting him on the throne. It was a dangerous time when his father had died. The kingdom was perilously close to being divided by the confederationalists, as Zygmungt was still too young to govern directly. Zygmungt never found out the exact details how Bazyli kept the nation together during his reign as the regent. You knew this was going to happen, didnt you?
Im not a seer, Zygmungt. Zygmungts accusatory look still remained. Though I did imagine something of the sort would happen.
Zygmungt frowned. Why didnt you speak up? It IS a ministers duty to advise his monarch. Especially when the minister is you.
Bazyli shook his head slightly. I wont always be here to advise you, as much as I would love for that to happen. Im well over seventy already. Besides, would you have listened?
Of course I would. Zygmungt and Bazyli both knew it was a lie. Either way, thats not a good enough reason to not voice your opinion. This is quite the serious matter now.
Nothing serious enough that you cant handle, Zygmungt. Youll have to learn that the life of being a monarch isnt always smooth, Zygmungt. There are many times when in theory a policy may sound appealing, but those are only theories. There are too many factors in life that are out of your control. Experience will help in avoiding/recognizing some of those factors, but never expect everything to go the way you want them to.
So what do you propose now, grand uncle? By your logic I should take advantage of your council as much as possible since it wont be available for much longer.
Nothing that you dont have in mind already. The outcome will probably be similar to what you envisioned, if you let it run its path alone. Give them a push if need be, but do not try to guide them with a leash. Your books tell you as much, dont they?
They do. But they also leave out quite a bit. That or they dont know half as much as they claim they do.
Bazyli smiled. Theyre all idealists, Zygmungt. They only see what they want to see, and write what they believe in. It may not always be the truth.
Zygmungt laughed. I guess I was guilty of that as well then.
Surprisingly for Zygmungt, Bazyli became serious. You are, and that is one of the most fatal mistakes monarchs in the past have made. You need to be aware of whats outside your vision as well. It may very well save your life one day, Zygmungt.
Zygmungt thought about this for a while, before asking th equestion that plagued his mind. How can I do that? Im but one man, a reckless and inexperienced one too, as all of Poland must be thinking by now.
The answer is simple, and has been in front of you for a while now. Take full advantage of your resources, Zygmungt. Youre not alone in wishing the best for Poland. Do not be afraid to share your burden. Its really quite taxing to try to do everything by oneself. This I can tell you from experience, and it is an experience you dont want to repeat.
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
Overview of the Federated Kingdoms
North America
Canada
Canada refers to the northern portion of Federate North America. Most of its settlements are situated along the St. Lawrence river, and the climate gets progressively harsher as one travels further north and west. The ladscape is full of hills in the east, slowly turning into a plain as one travels further to the west, and eventually ending with the tall Rocky Mountains.
There is little industry here, and all of it is centered on the St. Lawrence river. People mostly focus on fur trapping, fishing, ship building. Many independant farmers make a living out in the west by cultivating a number of crops. Canadian lumber is used in many Federate industries.
Canada has a population of 3,229,600, equal to 1.3% of the Federate population.
In the political realm the country is split between the Conservative and Liberal parties, both advocating state intervention in economy, but with liberals favoring free trade while the conservatives try to push a protectionist agenda.
Hudsonia
Temperate forestland and rolling hills dominate the landscape of this country. It is very densely populated with many cities that have sprung up since the colonial period. The Appalachian mountains form the western boundary of the country while the Atlantic forms the eastern.
Economically this is the second most industrialized area in the Federated Kingdoms, second only to the UK. The rich deposits of coal in the Appalachians drove early industrialization and now this region is dotted with plants and factories, and many major cities are the world's foremost industrial centers.
Due to the density of the population it reached 11,457,000 or 4.7% of the Federate population.
The liberal Republican and the conservative Democratic parties dominate the politics here, with the Republicans calling for laissez faire economics and protectionist measures while the Democrats favor intervention and free trade. A small Constitutional Union party is very conservative, but some of their measures resemble those of the Republicans.
Carolina
A large portion of Carolina's territory is on the sea coast, and with level and sandy ground. The interior portions were hilly and mountainous. Most of the area of Carolina has a humid subtropical climate with mild winters and long, hot, humid summers.
Carolina has an agrarian-based economy that relied heavily on plantations. The main products are cotton, rice, tobacco and sugar cane, with some cattle and much grain. Industry is starting to take hold in some of the major cities and the main producsts are flour and meal, lumber, processed tobacco, cotton goods and naval stores.
The population here is 6,389,000, equaling 2.6% of the total Federate population.
Politically, the anarcho-liberal Democratic party that favors free trade and laissez faire economics dominates. The conservatie opposition is made up of mostly older politicians that chose to adopt the name Whigs, but even they don't favor intervention.
Western Territories
Everything roughly west of the Appalachians and south of the Great Lakes is what is known as "western territories. The geography here ranges from a huge, dry plain in the center, to the Rocky Mountains, to hills and forests of the Mississippi and to the tall evergreen forests of the Oregon.
Traditionally this land has been seen as rural and unorganized, but more recently many cities have sprung up, especially along the Mississippi, focusing mostly on commerce and agrarian production. Raw materials from the North are shipped down the river to the South and many agricultural goods also find their way in the delta of the Mississippi.
Population-wise there are 9,821,000 people living here, aproximately 4% of the Federated Kingdom's total.
There is no political organization, and debate is ongoing about what to do with the territories as they become more developed.
conehead234
Braves on the Warpath
to: France
From: Le Californie
We are willing to negotiate our independence.
From: Le Californie
We are willing to negotiate our independence.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
To: FK
From: Persia
Perhaps we have simply run into a misunderstanding. We don't wish to dictate Federate policy, merely understand it. Our Ambassador was clearly puzzled at your actions regarding the Imperial War, and notified the council. We have no interest in the affairs of South America, but we certainly have an alliance with your Empire, and have a great interest in comprehending it's diplomatic intricacies.
Perhaps our original intentions were garbled in the diplomatic exchange. We simply wished to understand what the FK's intentions were in it's declaration of war on Portugal, and not Sweden. Allah forbid, if Persia was invaded by two nations at once, we certainly wouldn't want our allies declaring war on only one of our enemies.
The basis for the confusion was perhaps the seeming opportunism of only declaring war on Portugal, for the benefit of territorial gain in South America. We have reread your speech and translated it into Arabic, and now understand that your goal isn't to annex Portugese territory, merely to restore freedom and liberty to Neugranada.
Correct?
As to "intrigues with the French," we have no idea what you are talking about. Persia has a free and open alliance with France, as it does with the Federated Kingdoms.
*secret*
The Shah himself was quite alarmed when he read your communiques, and does not desire a falling out with the FK. We are afraid that up until this point, several more reactionary members of the Islamic Council were in charge of Diplomatic Affairs. The offending clerics have been recalled, and assigned to other positions.
*secret*
Sincerely,
Jafaari Balatah al-Nablus, Minister of Diplomatic Affairs
Signed by Shah Ardashir IV
From: Persia
Perhaps we have simply run into a misunderstanding. We don't wish to dictate Federate policy, merely understand it. Our Ambassador was clearly puzzled at your actions regarding the Imperial War, and notified the council. We have no interest in the affairs of South America, but we certainly have an alliance with your Empire, and have a great interest in comprehending it's diplomatic intricacies.
Perhaps our original intentions were garbled in the diplomatic exchange. We simply wished to understand what the FK's intentions were in it's declaration of war on Portugal, and not Sweden. Allah forbid, if Persia was invaded by two nations at once, we certainly wouldn't want our allies declaring war on only one of our enemies.
The basis for the confusion was perhaps the seeming opportunism of only declaring war on Portugal, for the benefit of territorial gain in South America. We have reread your speech and translated it into Arabic, and now understand that your goal isn't to annex Portugese territory, merely to restore freedom and liberty to Neugranada.
Correct?
As to "intrigues with the French," we have no idea what you are talking about. Persia has a free and open alliance with France, as it does with the Federated Kingdoms.
*secret*
The Shah himself was quite alarmed when he read your communiques, and does not desire a falling out with the FK. We are afraid that up until this point, several more reactionary members of the Islamic Council were in charge of Diplomatic Affairs. The offending clerics have been recalled, and assigned to other positions.
*secret*
Sincerely,
Jafaari Balatah al-Nablus, Minister of Diplomatic Affairs
Signed by Shah Ardashir IV
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
Letter from Lord Russell to Shah Ardashir IV
Dear Sir,
I must again repeat that Federate foreign policy in Europe or in South America is of no concern to your country. It is strange that the critisism of our action comes solely from Persia, and the best explanation I can offer is that the languages of our countries are very different or that Persian diplomats are not as skilled in the affairs of this world to understand what is happening. If you require an explanation or some help with your foreign policy please do not hesitate to call upon the Federate representatives in Delhi.
You have also mentioned an Alliance, of which I believe we have none. We have signed an agreement guaranteeing our mutual borders and assuring each other that no agression will take place between our countries. We however are under no obligation to come to your help should you be attacked by someone else.
Your cooperation and good relations with the French Empire, a power that is competing with the Federated Kingdoms, is worrysome to us, as you might have expected. I understand your alarm, but in this turbulent world it is very hard to be friends of the two great nations that are competing against each other. The Federated Kingdoms will maintain its policies in the region as they have been, but I hope you understad the situation you are putting us in.
Lord John Russell,
Federate Foreign Secretary
Dear Sir,
I must again repeat that Federate foreign policy in Europe or in South America is of no concern to your country. It is strange that the critisism of our action comes solely from Persia, and the best explanation I can offer is that the languages of our countries are very different or that Persian diplomats are not as skilled in the affairs of this world to understand what is happening. If you require an explanation or some help with your foreign policy please do not hesitate to call upon the Federate representatives in Delhi.
You have also mentioned an Alliance, of which I believe we have none. We have signed an agreement guaranteeing our mutual borders and assuring each other that no agression will take place between our countries. We however are under no obligation to come to your help should you be attacked by someone else.
Your cooperation and good relations with the French Empire, a power that is competing with the Federated Kingdoms, is worrysome to us, as you might have expected. I understand your alarm, but in this turbulent world it is very hard to be friends of the two great nations that are competing against each other. The Federated Kingdoms will maintain its policies in the region as they have been, but I hope you understad the situation you are putting us in.
Lord John Russell,
Federate Foreign Secretary
blackheart
unenlightened
I'm claiming New Prussia then. Prepare all nukes for launch 
What's the current Prussian affairs on things? What's this I see about a treaty with the HRE?
What's the current Prussian affairs on things? What's this I see about a treaty with the HRE?
das
Regeneration In Process
Maybe a little less here - it was developed rather slowly than in OTL.
I think I know what misunderstandment exactly caused the Thlayli-SB "debate", and suspect SB does too, but I won't menton it yet. But, Thlayli,
Stormbringer said:
Just in case that my guess is correct.
They are fighting for their independence in alliance with a Holy Roman constitutionalist movement that, however, is quite minor. The idea is for this "Stralsund Reichstag" to return to power and to grant New Prussia independence in borders that are yet to be discussed.
Your Swedish allies and you have just agreed on their war aims and designed the treaty that they intend to impose on HRE.
The HRE doesn't like it, for some weird reason...
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
From: Persia
To: FK
While we never thought that a call for a clarification of policy would meet with such outrage, we are perfectly willing to drop the matter, in the interest of not angering one of our chief allies further. Federate business in South America, as you said, is certainly not our direct concern.
Again, Persia is free to make agreements with both France and the FK, lest one side think we favor the other.
Sincerely,
Shah Ardashir IV
To: FK
While we never thought that a call for a clarification of policy would meet with such outrage, we are perfectly willing to drop the matter, in the interest of not angering one of our chief allies further. Federate business in South America, as you said, is certainly not our direct concern.
Again, Persia is free to make agreements with both France and the FK, lest one side think we favor the other.
Sincerely,
Shah Ardashir IV
Insane_Panda
Deity
OOC: France of course competes with Britain, in a completely unhostile way though. During my tenure as l'Empereur, my policy was basically, don't interfere with the FK as long as they don't interfere with us. However, the foriegn funding given the california rebels continues to alarm me 
Also, France and Persia have a defensive alliance, I think.
Also, France and Persia have a defensive alliance, I think.
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
Das, the population number for Canada is already 1 million lower than it was in real life because parts of it are in Hudsonia. If you want me to lower it more I will.
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