Never Before Seen Leader Elimination

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Interesting. I realize that China is ethnically diverse, but I was always under the impression that in China the Manchu Qing dynasty was largely regarded as a period of "barbarian rule," so to speak, sort of like the Hyksos period in Egypt (as opposed to other foreign dynasties like the Nubian XXVth dynasty in Egypt or the Yuan dynasty in China). Perhaps opinions vary or have varied over time; or possibly I'm just misinformed.

I suspect there are varying views, but enough Han Chinese seem to be fine with him that it's likely not to be too controversial. Kangxi had both Han Chinese and Manchurian parentage which might have helped, and is widely considered the best emperor of the entire Qing Dynasty, so there's also that. I did notice videos on YouTube that had conflicting views--several revering Kangxi and another saying that the Qing Dynasty is not Chinese...but given how eager the Chinese have been to claim say, the Goguryeo, to be Chinese, one would think they have no issue considering the glorious Qing emperors to also be Chinese.

There's also the fact that Kangxi adhered to Confucian ideals, and propogated them in his numerous writings, and he was well-liked by the Han Chinese for his efforts to integrate them into his administration and respect Han Chinese culture.

His leader ability in the game could do with Great Writer and Great Scientist point generation, as he wrote often and frequently (earning a reputation as a "sage emperor" despite the fact he was also an immensely successful warrior who physically led his armies in combat), and he also liked Western science and technology (he was cured by Western medicine at a crucial point in his life, which started his fascination).
 
I'd still personally rather see a Tang emperor like Taizong or Wu Zetian, but I can see how Kangxi would be a compelling option as well.
 
Looks like we have a bunch of suggestions. I will leave the suggestion period open till Thursday night. The first round will be the ones with the highest votes limited to two per civ. People can suggest multiple times if you wish, just choose different people then originally.

Some more from me:
Djoser (Egypt)
Chandragupta Maurya (India)
William III and Mary (England)
William Pitt the Elder (England)
Nkumbi a Mpudi\Diogo I (Kongo)
 
A few more from me:

Ivan the Terrible (Russia)
Cao Cao (China)
Akbar (India)
Jan Sobieski (Poland)
Arminius (Germany)
Erik Bloodaxe (Norway)
Shapur II (Persia)
Ahuitzotl (Aztecs)
Sargon of Akkad (Sumer) - Since we almost certainly won't be getting Akkad and Sargon was the conqueror of Sumer.
 
Theodora was the empress of Byzanz so why not Roxelana for the Ottoman Empire. That would be cool.
Spoiler :

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxelana
 
Roxelena was a powerful woman, but more an advisor than a ruler....I would say I prefer Suleiman for the Ottomans, cliche as it may be. He is definitely very iconic and could have a rather easy agenda based on any number of things, whether it's his legal code, his alliance with France, etc.
 
Okay, it is time for Round 1. The leaders that got the most nominations are in this round. Vote for anybody you want for any reason.

Abbas I(Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 20
Alexander II(Russia) 20
Alfred the Great(England) 20
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau(France) 20
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 20
Haakon VII(Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great(Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 20
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 20
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson(America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21 (20+1) I thing a Safavid ruler is due. We always had Achaemenid rulers so far, and Persia is much more than that. Abbas with his successful (re-)conquering and building up Isfahan (what a marvelous place to visit!) sure was one of the greatest rulers of Persia.
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 20
Alexander II(Russia) 20
Alfred the Great(England) 20
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau(France) 20
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 20
Haakon VII(Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great(Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 20
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 17 (20-3) what would he bring to the Rome that is fresh and new? Trajan already has a focus on culture.
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson(America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21 (20 + 1) -- A great and powerful king who reformed almost every aspect of an ultra-conservative society through sheer force of will and charisma? Yes, please.
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 20
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 20
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 20
Haakon VII (Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great (Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 17 (20 - 3) -- Brazil didn't need to be in the base game in the first place; it's hardly crying out for a second leader.
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 17
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 20
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 20
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 20
Haakon VII (Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great (Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 14 (17-3) no second leader sorry
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 17
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 21 (20+1) medieval for England - YES
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
Okay, it is time for Round 1. The leaders that got the most nominations are in this round. Vote for anybody you want for any reason.
Where did people nominate the leaders? Just out of curiosity (I would like to have seen the other options that were up for nomination).
 
Where did people nominate the leaders? Just out of curiosity (I would like to have seen the other options that were up for nomination).

true the list could be better
 
Where did people nominate the leaders? Just out of curiosity (I would like to have seen the other options that were up for nomination).
In this very thread. You can easily look the other nominees up. I like the selection in general. Some exceptions, of course, but that way I know what to down vote...
 
Where did people nominate the leaders? Just out of curiosity (I would like to have seen the other options that were up for nomination).

This thread. This round is just the leaders with the most nominations. After this round I might open it up to more nominations but there were enough for at least another round.
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 20
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 20
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 20 + 1 = 21 I'm pretty sure he will not stay here for long. But I need the Pracinhas back.
Haakon VII (Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great (Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 14
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 17 - 3 = 14 No special reason, just I am not particularly interested in him
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 21
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 20+1=21 The greatest ruler England has ever seen, bar none.
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 20
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 21
Haakon VII (Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great (Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 14
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 14
Meiji (Japan) 20-3=17 Japan considers depictions of its emperors to be sacrosanct, so this one is most likely nipped in the bud.
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 21
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 21 .
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 20 + 1 = 21. Though he served at the tail end of it, France needs a leader from the Belle Epoque.
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 21
Haakon VII (Norway) 20
Ivan III the Great (Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 14
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 14
Meiji (Japan) 17 .
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 21 - = 18. Richard spent maybe six months of his life in England and didn't give a whit about it. Henry II or William Marshall are better leaders for England for the beginning of the Plantagenets.
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 21
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 21
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 21
Haakon VII (Norway) 20-3=17 - Norway is the country that definitely doesn't and probably won't need need another leader. It would be fine alternative to Harald Hardrada, but we don't need him. I would like if they added Sweden with Gustavus Adolphus more.
Ivan III the Great (Russia) 20
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 14
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 14
Meiji (Japan) 17+1=18 - I don't care about depiction now. During his reign, Japan opened its borders, and modernized itself - in some 50 years, Japan changed from undeveloped feudal shogunate to industrial superpower of the East. It beated Russia and China in wars. It became one of the strongest, most developed and most influental countries in the world. We can easily say he was one of the best Japanese emperors. And it would be great change to stereotypical samurai leaders.
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 18
Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
Abbas I(Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 20
Akhenaten (Egypt) 21
Alexander II (Russia) 20
Alfred the Great (England) 21
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 20
Georges Clemenceau (France) 21
Getúlio Vargas (Brazil) 21
Haakon VII (Norway) 17
Juscelino Kubitschek (Brazil) 14
Kanmu (Japan) 20
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 14
Meiji (Japan) 18 - 3 = 15 I prefer a sengoku jidai one (he's great though, sorry)
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Richard I (England) 18 + 1 = 19 It is very interesting for me to see a high medieval leaders, especially england. Also maybe, his agenda will be not so hard to find out.

Shah Jahan (India) 20
Shapur II (Persia) 20
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 20
 
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