Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[Guandao]

Burg Hohenzollern - 24
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 17
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon -8
Dhammayangyi Temple - 23
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - (17-3)=14 It's a nice old Chiloe church, but probably not impressive or significant enough to be a wonder.
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 14
Naqshe-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - (21+1)=22 Ancient pre-Roman North Africa fascinates me, I hope this place becomes a World Heritage site
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 25

 

[Morningcalm]

Burg Hohenzollern - 24
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 17
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 8 - 3 = 5 (This is not a wonder. This is a unique improvement at best.)
Dhammayangyi Temple - 23
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 14
Naqshe-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 25 + 1 = 26 (Simply one of the best wonders in this list.)

 

[Zaarin]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25 (24 + 1) -- This and the Temple of Heaven are the two best on the list. And now they are tied, as the heavens will it.
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 14 (17 - 3) -- I prefer traditional Gothic to Neo-Gothic.
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 5
Dhammayangyi Temple - 23
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 14
Naqshe-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 25

 

[Siptah]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 14
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 5
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24 (23+1) Still cycling through the options and give an upvote to all that I find worthy and I'd like to have.
Etemenanki - 21
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 11 (14-3) ... and down voting the ones that I don't find worthy. There are much better museums to be found. My personal favorite would be the Museumsinsel or the Smithsonian.
Naqshe-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 21
Temple of Heaven - 25 Two questions: It's a temple, but in my opinion, a religious ability is out of the question for it. What do you think? Cultural bonus? Growth bonus? And does anyone know what it looked like before it was rebuilt? It is, of course, possible that it looked very much like it looked today, but given my experience with reconstructions of famous buildings during that time frame, I seriously doubt it. I'm sure it was round, but how did it look? We would want the Ming building in civ and not the 19th/20th century one that would be an industrial wonder, right? Those two questions prevent me from voting for it right now.

 

[conorbebe]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11 (14 - 3) Meh.
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 5
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 22 (21 + 1) The Ziggurat Improvement really doesn't do these structures justice.
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 11
Naqshe-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 21

 

[Xandinho]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 5
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 22
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 11 - 3 = 8 It is a beautiful building that resembles a castle, but it is not significant in the grand scheme. There are many other museums to consider before this.
Naqshe-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 21 + 1 = 22 It is considered the third best opera house in the world and one of the five best theaters in the world for its acoustics. Compared to the most important lyric sites in the world (such as La Scala in Milan and the Royal Opera House in London). We need more theaters and cultural buildings, and at least one wonder of Spanish America.
Temple of Heaven - 26 Back to the list and correcting the points mistake.

 

[Siptah]

Teatro Colón - 21 + 1 = 22 It is considered the third best opera house in the world and one of the five best theaters in the world for its acoustics. Compared to the most important lyric sites in the world (such as La Scala in Milan and the Royal Opera House in London). We need more theaters and cultural buildings, and at least one wonder of Spanish America.

Nothing against the Teatro Colón, but I know at least 10 houses that claim two have the best acoustics world-wide. And the same goes for the rating of Opera houses. Every reviewer/magazine has different criteria leading to very different Opera houses getting a high score. But I agree that I for the new world, it is among the most prominent theaters/operas and would make a nice addition.

 

[Xandinho]

Nothing against the Teatro Colón, but I know at least 10 houses that claim two have the best acoustics world-wide. And the same goes for the rating of Opera houses. Every reviewer/magazine has different criteria leading to very different Opera houses getting a high score. But I agree that I for the new world, it is among the most prominent theaters/operas and would make a nice addition.

I know, but the Teatro Cólon seems to always be among the most important theaters in the world, on most of the lists I see. This and probably the Teatro Amazonas and Palacio de Bellas Artes may be the most prominent of the new world, although the Teatro Cólon is not as visually distinct from the Bolshoi Theater as the Teatro Amazonas or the Palacio de Bellas Artes would be. But any of them would surely make a good addition.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11
Château Frontenac - 25
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 5-3=2 - I prefer any of the Egyptian wonders from the past rounds.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 22+1=23 - These tiny things built by in-game Sumer as an UI cannot compare to this great Zikkurat that inspired the Tower of Babel!
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26

 

[Guatenadian]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11
Château Frontenac - 26 (25+1) I know a Canadian Civ is divisive, but let us at least have a wonder.
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Colossi of Memnon - 0 (2-3) ELIMINATED Lets just get this out of the way.
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 23
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26

 

[Zaarin]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11
Château Frontenac - 23 (26 - 3) -- Nothing against it, but it shouldn't be competing for first place with Burg Hohenzollern and Temple of Heaven.
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 17
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24 (23 + 1) -- Don't want this to fall too far behind; it definitely deserves to be in game.
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 21
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26

 

[Siptah]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11
Château Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 14 (17-3) While it is certainly a great architecture accomplishment, I think the Taj Mahal (like only a handful of other wonders) shouldn't be replaced and this is what would happen if this one gets added.
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 22 (21+1) First time voting for the same option again. Hasn't changed since the last time, even if we already have a Buddhist wonder (Potala) in game. I think Swayambhunath is different enough in appearance and meaning. It has also an interesting legend behind it.
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26 Ok, so does no one know anything about it? Or no one read my questions?

 

[Xandinho]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 11 - 3 = 8 Santuario de Las Lajas continues being the best structure to be added from Colombia. This is not interesting.
Château Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 14
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 21 + 1 = 22 A wonder of the Portuguese world would be welcome. This is a good structure for such.
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 22
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26

 

[Kimiimaro]

Temple of Heaven - 26 Ok, so does no one know anything about it? Or no one read my questions?

I've read them, but I don't know nearly anything about it

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 8-3=5 - Sadly, I'm not very convinced that this would make a good wonder.
Château Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 23+1=24 - As I said, this monumental Ziggurat is a perfect choice to be a wonder. This or the Ziggurat of Ur.
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 14
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 22
Prambanan - 22
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 22
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26

 

[Guandao]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - (5-3)=2 Looking at its pictures, there are better Catholic Cathedral wonders to choose from.
Château Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 14 Seems unpopular here, is it because of Taj Mahal being better?
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 22
Prambanan - (22+1)=23 This would be my second choice for an Indonesian wonder (after Borobudur), but I wouldn't complain if they chose this over Borobudur. We need at least one Hindu wonder in Civ6 (Mahabodhi temple is Buddhist).
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 22
Teatro Colón - 22
Temple of Heaven - 26 It's a Ming/Qing Dynasties structure used for heaven worship by the Emperor. A replica of it exists in Epcot Center in Florida. It was chosen for the Chinese wonder in at least two Age of Empires games. I hope that helps.

 

[Siptah]

It's a Ming/Qing Dynasties structure used for heaven worship by the Emperor. A replica of it exists in Epcot Center in Florida. It was chosen for the Chinese wonder in at least two Age of Empires games. I hope that helps.

No, you misunderstood. I know the wonder as it is today and also that it was used (for whatever reason) in the first two Age of Empires games where it really shouldn't belong. My main questions were: what would you give it as ability? Extra growth in Renaissance/late Medieval times? Just bonus culture? And what did it look like before it was rebuilt at the end of the 19th century? As I said, it may be possible that it looked fairly similar to today, but given how rebuilds were done usually in that time and before, I doubt it. I wasn't able to find older paintings, sketches by travelers or anything that show how it looked. Do you know? Both are not the most important questions to ask, but I find them interesting.

 

[Guandao]

No, you misunderstood. I know the wonder as it is today and also that it was used (for whatever reason) in the first two Age of Empires games where it really shouldn't belong. My main questions were: what would you give it as ability? Extra growth in Renaissance/late Medieval times? Just bonus culture? And what did it look like before it was rebuilt at the end of the 19th century? As I said, it may be possible that it looked fairly similar to today, but given how rebuilds were done usually in that time and before, I doubt it. I wasn't able to find older paintings, sketches by travelers or anything that show how it looked. Do you know?

Something with harvesting resources maybe? I'm not good at coming up with abilities for wonders.

Is it important that it looked different before the rebuilding before the 19th century? It's probably not that good of a choice for a Chinese wonder, but I recognize it immediately in pictures. The structure is basically an altar area for the Chinese Emperor to perform his annual rites.

 

[Siptah]

Something with harvesting resources maybe? I'm not good at coming up with abilities for wonders.

Is it important that it looked different before the rebuilding before the 19th century? It's probably not that good of a choice for a Chinese wonder, but I recognize it immediately in pictures. The structure is basically an altar area for the Chinese Emperor to perform his annual rites.

One would have to add that a lot of wonders were rebuilt/reconstructed/received facelifts/added parts. The Potala is shown in its present state (more or less) and not how it looked when it was build and you build it in the game for example. Stonehenge looks like a more complete reconstruction following the same principles as was done in real life. And some wonders are modeled after (completely wrong) romanticized old reconstructions like Apadana and the Hanging Gardens. So Firaxis would do with today's design anyway. So it's really just a not important interest.

 

[conorbebe]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota - 2
Château Frontenac - 23
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 15 (14 + 1) It's more interesting than a lot of the other buildings on this list in my opinion.
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 22
Prambanan - 23
Royal Mausoleum of Mauretania - 22
Swayambhunath - 22
Teatro Colón - 19 (22 - 3) Considering how Wonders are depicted in Civ VI, I don't think it has an exterior that is visually impressive enough to warrant its inclusion.
Temple of Heaven - 26

 

[God of Kings]

Burg Hohenzollern - 25
Catedral Primada de Bogota -2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Latin America has better examples of Catholic cathedrals
Château Frontenac - 23 + 1 = 24 Not many examples of hotels here
Chrám Sv. Barbory - 20
Citadel of Qaitbay - 21
Dhammayangyi Temple - 24
Etemenanki - 24
Fasil Ghebbi - 17
Humayun's Tomb - 15
Iglesia de Achao - 14
Krak des Chevaliers - 25
Museo El Castillo - 8
Naqsh-e Rustam - 24
Palacio de Bellas Artes - 22
Palácio de Pena - 22
Prambanan - 23
Swayambhunath - 22
Teatro Colón - 19
Temple of Heaven - 26