New Beta Version - March 23rd (3/23)

IcyAngel · Mar 30, 2016

regenshine said:
It happens to me several times, that an AI declares war but doesnt attack nor sends units to my borders. So there's war for turns but no fighting.

Ditto. Before, when an AI declared war, either it was a bribe -unprepared AI- or I would find an army at my doors immediately. Now, there doesn't appear to be a logic to it. A DoW and no enemy units in a mile from any of my cities.

Not sure when the change occurred.

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Gazebo, check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOeiuq8dIA

1. In the first minute, Marbozir is able to enact Trade Agreements even though he hasn't finished researching Education yet. His interlocutors have, though, I'm guessing. It's happened to me before, too;

2. 25:45, during the peace deal with England, the valuation of cities appears outrageous. 3787 for York, a 10 pop city; 327 for Nottingham, a 14 pop city! What explains the disparity? I know you upped the values of cities in this version, so I assume these numbers wouldn't reproduce exactly, but still.

Funak · Mar 30, 2016

IcyAngel said:
1. In the first minute, Marbozir is able to enact Trade Agreements even though he hasn't finished researching Education yet. His interlocutors have, though, I'm guessing. It's happened to me before, too;

Intended, Vanilla mechanic, always been so, it's in the research agreement description.

2. 25:45, during the peace deal with England, the valuation of cities appears outrageous. 3787 for York, a 10 pop city; 327 for Nottingham, a 14 pop city! What explains the disparity? I know you upped the values of cities in this version, so I assume these numbers wouldn't reproduce exactly, but still.

Probably an oddity caused by Nottingham having no luxuries and generally producing a bunch of happiness.

In general I would really not encourage you to report things based on something you've watched on youtube. In this case the information is fairly accurate, and with Gazebo having commented on multiple videos, one could assume he'd get the information anyways (watching let's plays is G's dirty pleasure).
A lot of times however many of the reports seems to stem from the player misinterpreting something and then feeling the need to appear knowledgeable, something goes not quite as planned, mob-mentality among the watchers kick in and suddenly you have a bunch of bug/imbalance reports from people that haven't even played the game and have no idea what they are talking about.

IcyAngel · Mar 30, 2016

Funak said:
Intended, Vanilla mechanic, always been so, it's in the research agreement description.

I never realized that! :eek:

My bad then.

Funak said:
In general I would really not encourage you to report things based on something you've watched on youtube. In this case the information is fairly accurate, and with Gazebo having commented on multiple videos, one could assume he'd get the information anyways (watching let's plays is G's dirty pleasure).
A lot of times however many of the reports seems to stem from the player misinterpreting something and then feeling the need to appear knowledgeable, something goes not quite as planned, mob-mentality among the watchers kick in and suddenly you have a bunch of bug/imbalance reports from people that haven't even played the game and have no idea what they are talking about.

Uh? You're broadcasting to the wrong person. Clearly I have played the game, and quite extensively. Those incidents weren't even commented on by Marbozir or anyone in the comments - I alone made the observations. If I had to report on every aspect newbs found confusing/unbalanced about CBP, I'd be at it all day.

Funak · Mar 30, 2016

IcyAngel said:
Uh? You're broadcasting to the wrong person. Clearly I have played the game, and quite extensively. Those incidents weren't even commented on by Marbozir or anyone in the comments - I alone made the observations. If I had to report on every aspect newbs found confusing/unbalanced about CBP, I'd be at it all day.

Which I said in the second sentence.

I'm just saying that in general reporting things of youtube is bad.

Gazebo · Mar 30, 2016

Funak said:
Which I said in the second sentence.

I'm just saying that in general reporting things of youtube is bad.

Why? I appreciate all feedback. Don't listen to Funak, here, IcyAngel.

G

Valvts · Apr 2, 2016

I found an exploit in this version:

Spoiler :

Sending a missionary to Addis Ababa with 26 pop -

Spoiler :

That 2x my science output.

Another thing, progress yields popups are too crowded, I had like 8 each turn. Is there a way to combine all the bonus yields for constructing a building(That progress policy)?

Last one, it seems like ranged ships early game are too strong, but that maybe just me.

Edit: Is there a chance to tweak AI city giving logic, because they seem to give them easily after winning a war. I captured Ethiopia's city, and they seceded and gave me another one, remaining with only one. Maybe make it that they will never trade their 3 first cities, especially if they are going Tradition.

Last last Edit: I had 2 Vassal buttons on the top right :O

Thank you for the hard work.

notque · Apr 2, 2016

Any tips for debugging a CTD? Logs doesn't have anything earth shattering.

I know it's on Spain's turn. I know it's repeatable.

I know that Spain in the logs has taken actions, including sending workers to plots on this turn. Anyway to drill down into what action has caused the CTD?

Putmalk · Apr 2, 2016

notque said:
Any tips for debugging a CTD? Logs doesn't have anything earth shattering.

I know it's on Spain's turn. I know it's repeatable.

I know that Spain in the logs has taken actions, including sending workers to plots on this turn. Anyway to drill down into what action has caused the CTD?

With repeatable CTDs that are using the CPP codebase, a save would be the most helpful, assuming you don't have other mods.

notque · Apr 2, 2016

Putmalk said:
With repeatable CTDs that are using the CPP codebase, a save would be the most helpful, assuming you don't have other mods.

Thanks. Decided just to keep going back in turns until it didn't repeat, I'm past it.

And 15 turns later, another CTD on Spain's turn. Spain needs to knock it off.

Putmalk · Apr 2, 2016

notque said:
Thanks. Decided just to keep going back in turns until it didn't repeat, I'm past it.

This is not a helpful solution to potential game-crippling issue :/

notque · Apr 2, 2016

Putmalk said:
This is not a helpful solution to potential game-crippling issue :/

Well it happened again many turns later on Spain's turn. I got to see the last action during the CTD (as it was in my territory)

They just converted my city with a missionary when it happened. Going to reload the turn and do it again and see if it repeats.

Edit: It's something to do with unit movements on Spain's turn. That seemed to be the same situation as last time. Going to dive in and see if the last movement in the log is the same message as before.

Edit 2: Looks normal, must be directly after it then...

212, Spain, Moving to plot adjacent to conversion city, X: 29, Y: 30, Currently at, X: 29, Y: 30
212, Spain, Moving to plot adjacent to conversion city, X: 29, Y: 29, Currently at, X: 26, Y: 29
212, Spain, Moving to plot adjacent to conversion city, X: 29, Y: 29, Currently at, X: 27, Y: 24
212, Spain, Moving to plot adjacent to conversion city, X: 3, Y: 14, Currently at, X: 16, Y: 19
212, Spain, Conquistador Explorer found no target, X: 8, Y: 11
212, Spain, Dromon Explorer found no target, X: 8, Y: 3
212, Spain, Moving Conquistador 2835 to garrison, X: 23, Y: 13, Priority: 0

Edit 3: Spain is also starting a sneak attack that turn. A naval one.

212, Spain, AI_OPERATION_NAVAL_SNEAK_ATTACK, Started, Army: 3196, Units Recruited: 7, Max Formation Size: 12, Recruiting Units, vs. America

But all that seems fine,

212, Spain, AI_OPERATION_NAVAL_SNEAK_ATTACK, 30, Naval Operation targeting x=14 y=7, target of x=20 y=22.
212, Spain, AI_OPERATION_NAVAL_SNEAK_ATTACK, 30, Found 19 potential units to recruit for operation 30 at x=14 y=8, target of x=20 y=21
212, Spain, AI_OPERATION_NAVAL_SNEAK_ATTACK, 30, Recruiting - slot 5 is already full! Unit is: Trireme 3199
212, Spain, AI_OPERATION_NAVAL_SNEAK_ATTACK, 30, Recruiting - trying to fill slot 6 (assault sea / reserve sea) in operation 30, army 3196
212, Spain, AI_OPERATION_NAVAL_SNEAK_ATTACK, 30, Recruiting - trying to fill slot 7 (assault sea / reserve sea) in operation 30, army 3196

Tactical AI Log

Spoiler :

I'm at a loss. Hrm.

New Beta Version - March 23rd (3/23)

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