New challenge: domination victories for civs

No relation to the topic, I have a question about that last screenshot: which version of RFC are you running? I downloaded again, to be sure, the last version (1181), but I don't have the numbers in the stability screen. Anyone knows why ?
 
This one I've been working on and off over the last month or so. Same basic tactics as with the Dutch, except this time I didn't need to use nukes. In fact, aside from capitulating Inca and Aztec, I never declared war (well, independents, but they don't count). I only fought defensive wars.

My vassals were Inca, Aztec, Mali (who collapsed), and Dutch after a respawn, who I started to feed old Malinise cities.

Managed to pick up 2/3 UHVs (Circumnavigation & 3 cities on each continent).

The Byzantines survived to modern times! I have no idea how or why. Constantinople was only defended by musketmen, so they can't have gotten very advanced.

I formed an alliance with the second biggest power, Germany who had all of mainland Europe, including Vassals in France and Portugal and conquests holding European Russia. Germany's vassals also included America, and the Germans also founded a few colonies in Africa, America and Indosia. They collapsed the turn before I won, allowing Dutch cultural to encompass another 1% of land area to push me over the top.

To save my space on the forums, externally linked screenshots are underneath the spoiler.

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Good job.:goodjob: Nice plump cities in Australia and Africa. You could have gotten northern Alaska for another 1% and central South America (chop a jungle) for 2 more cities. I always pre-work those tiles (roads, chop) and sit a settler there just so I can found some cities right at the end.
 
Yeah, but I didn't need to. I figured I'd focus on taking back that land I gifted to Mali and their home territory. Would have won a good 30 turns earlier if Mali stayed up. Oh well. Turkey's next.

Edit: Btw, I never had to adopt Nationhood/police state, as you can see by the weak Civics score.
 
I took one of my last days off for well, probably until next summer, and here's Turkey on Emperor. From Iberia, to Indochina; from Samarkand to Ethiopia; from Australia to Alaska, this is the dominion of Turkey.

I thought the start might be a little bad, with Alexandretta having been razed by Arabia, but I think in the long term, that helped more than it hurt. Portugal vassalized to me early on, and they collapsed Spain with my secrets of Gunpowder. I avoided settling too deep into the Caucasus or Polish corridor to avoid conflict with Germany and Russia. I bubbled optics with an Engineer and arrived in the new world ca 1450, but found I was about 3 turns too late to get conquerors.

Late game, I allied with Germany to fend off Russia and Mongolia. Carthage respawned and vassalized to me. They were kind of a crappy vassal, but I was eying gifting them Malinise territory, but Mali vasalized to Germany and that no longer seemed like a good idea. I got Venice in a conference, and put cultural pressure on Germany (who had Rome) with 5 cathedrals and a national gallery, causing a Roman respawn. Rome and Spain decied to declare war on me, so I took Italy and Iberia (which I returned to Spain), causing Spain to capitulate. Unfortunately they didn't stay stable, so I invaded Indochina to finish off my land area requirement. Then it was nuking down the population to get to that threshold. Australian colonization was sort of an afterthought int he 1800s when I realized England collapsed without actually sending any settlers there.

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Very nice, you really have the emperor domination game down. So far you've done:
England
Turkey
Netherlands
Spain
Rome
America
Germany (well, eventually)

How about France?
 
I've played around with France up until maybe the 1700s, I think I aborted the last one when Spain invaded and kicked my ass. The game may have been salvageable if I had it in me to reload 10 turns back and build up my military.

Anyways, France would follow the same formula as Spain, Netherlands and England That basically was settling on the gold in Africa with one of my initial settlers; research philosophy for extra great spies; research compass, steal guilds, optics, astronomy, and gunpowder, and then race to the new world. I bet you could pull of France if you felt so motivated, I think you're better at fighting those premodern wars than I am. One good option might be taking out Spain and maybe Portugal in the Medieval age.

Turkey was difficult, because I couldn't rely on colonization. Basically you have to come to grips with the fact that you're going to be technologically backwards, and steal the right techs to stay ahead of the game.

Arabia should be able to get optics and get conquerors and vassals out of Aztec and Inca, but their stability is extremely poor on emperor (I posted the screen), and I think part of the Arabian specific emperor settings, no one will open borders with you unless you're well over +8 to them.

I want to try an Asian civ next whenever I have the time, but that will likely take several weeks to play, with only an hour or so a night. I've managed to utterly collapse Japan and China on emperor with colonizing almost soling where I've had to set all my sliders to 0%, so those are going to be the toughest. Maybe Mongolia is the way to go. Mongolia may have to follow the scheme with Turkey, in that I'll neglect the Americas. I think my best mark for them for optics on emperor was 1550, and that's just too late.
 
Mongolia and China are elusive as of yet, but I managed to get Conqueror's events as Russia, which is a real challenge to do, so that should be my next emperor game.
 
So as it turned out, on my Russia game, China beat me to Cristo by about a dozen turns and I got disheartened. Usually China gets collapsed by Mongolia in my games, but they managed to remain a powerhouse in this one. I think they're the only civ that ever gives me competition for Cristo.

So, instead, I give you France on emperor.

Started out by taking Spain out. I kept Madrid, and razed their other 2 cities. Then I took Portugal out shortly after they spawned. I razed Oporto and kept Lisbon. Shortly after this, the Dutch declared war on me, so I took them out.

Managed to easily get conquerers for Inca and Aztec, and with the only remaining colonial power being England, I had a wide open world to settle. I got Rome from Germany in a world council, and they eventually collapsed, so I took their cities. America voluntarily vassalized to me, and I faced a few respawns, including Rome, Portugal and the Dutch. I quickly took back Rome and Portugal, but I let the Dutch live, as the Viking, German and English pressure on Amsterdam (especially after I had lost my culture work in it) made it worthless to me. Later they offered themselves as vassals, and I accepted because I thought I'd feed them S. Africa and Germany. Turns out they wanted neither and except for getting Kalmar in a world council, they were basically useless. At least I put a couple tactical nukes in Kalmar to hit Russia with.

Later Germany respawned, and I quickly took Berlin and Vienna back, but they still had German New Guinea, so they offered to capitulate (A FIFTH vassal!?). Surprisingly they were willing to take my Australian cities. I never gave them up because I was worried they'd just collapse, but they never did collapse.

I do have the most recent version of the game, so I'm not sure how I got a fifth vassal. I guess you can still get them from capitulation, but its really difficult to do.

China had beat me to Cristo again by 2 turns, but I reloaded and rushed it with gold. England beat me to the Internet by about 4 turns, and then collapsed shortly thereafter. Grrr.

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And then this just made me laugh:
 
In a recent French domination attempt i had 6 voluntary vassals- Egypt, Mali, Ethiopia, Aztecs, Inca and America- perhaps it is France's UP?
 
39 population in Chicago, that's got to be the largest city I've ever seen.:eek:
Spain is very easy to take out later if you squat in Netherlands and Germany first.
The 5 vassals must be a fluke (I've seen that too but not consistently). Quotey are you playing the most recent version?
 
In a recent French domination attempt i had 6 voluntary vassals- Egypt, Mali, Ethiopia, Aztecs, Inca and America- perhaps it is France's UP?

Could be. Very cool if it is. I've seen the voluntery vassals give you extra though if you get multiple offering to vassalize in the same turn.


39 population in Chicago, that's got to be the largest city I've ever seen.:eek:
Spain is very easy to take out later if you squat in Netherlands and Germany first.
The 5 vassals must be a fluke (I've seen that too but not consistently). Quotey are you playing the most recent version?

It had enough food to get to 42, then global warming hit, so it could only get to 40. I got bored and decided to win before that happened. I put the National park and opera house in there, leveled all the forests and nonfood resources, and built farmland. I also gave it the two tiles that are usually important to Denver (the horses and a grassland). With all the specialists and the levee, it still had like 150 hammers a turn despite only having farmland.

I find that a mega city at Chicago puts a good dent in the population requirement. I'm not sure if there's a city site anywhere else that can support up to a 42 sized city. Yes, that's why I always build Chicago there, instead of where you like it, one to the SE I think?

Edit: On squatting: I've tried several squats with France on emperor and the stability hit is always very extreme. Spain was very easy to take out by just pulling all my starting troops anyways.
 
I'm not sure if there's a city site anywhere else that can support up to a 42 sized city.

You're not using corporations like Sushi though, which could (under the correct civics of course) raise the maximum size even higher still.
 
You're not using corporations like Sushi though, which could (under the correct civics of course) raise the maximum size even higher still.

True, but I'm a communist for stability reasons in domination games. One depression tends to kill you off.
 
Okay, I lied about the 6 vassals thing.. it's actually 7 :wow:

None of them were on the same turn. It went Inca/Aztecs, Ethiopia, accidentally clicked when Mali offered, swore, America offers, Khmer collapses and Japan offers, then Egypt respawns and I ask them.



I checked and I have RFC1.81.

I could provide a save if anyone REALLY wants. I was going to reload further back to make sure England doesn't get land oil, but now I'm afraid that I won't get America (Egypt and Japan I can live without)

e: Something else. Respawning civs can, infact, flip your capital. The Dutch respawned, flipped Amsterdam, I took it back losing lots of Infra.
 
Only Incans were through Capitulation. Egypt and Aztecs were respawns. I had Maya but they collapsed before Aztecs respawned.
 
I've tried several squats with France on emperor and the stability hit is always very extreme. Spain was very easy to take out by just pulling all my starting troops anyways.

A squat lite that worked OK for me was settling 1NE of Paris and ninja razing Frankfurt with suicide units before he has time to reinforce it.

Then you couldn't pull all your starting troops on Spain. Maybe you could still do both with a lucky start where you got many extra troops. Or take a little longer, cut it closer with conquerors, or whatnot.
 
Okay, no one will probably find this one so deep in the thread, maybe put a link from APs original post.

Here are all the possible domination games for emperor, rated by difficulty.

*done by me.
+done by others.

Moderate (no easy for emperor!)
*France
Germany
*Rome
Russia
*Turkey
*America
*Spain
*England
Persia (If you can get great wall, this one should be quite possible)
Mongolia (very backwards, but huge historical area)
*Netherlands

Hard (Due to stability, historic civ size, or hidden emperor modifiers):
Arabia (Very intense barbarians and stability problems)
Khmer (Small size)
Inca
Aztecs
Maya
Vikings (Stability problems in early game. Poor foreign and economic modifiers)
Portugal (Late start)
Greece (Seems to have stability issues early on)
Japan (isolated)
China 600 AD (isolated, very slow economy at first)
India (Isolated, but powerful UP for domination attempts)

Likely Currently Impossible on Emperor
China 3000 AD
Ethiopia
Mali
Carthage
Babylon
Egypt
 
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