If there is a way to show I built the buildings please tell me. Also no barbarians were able to get inside my borders in the last three turns before the Great Wall. If I need to build the Great Wall then I will just whip it out on the turn before the VV, which I did not since there was no immediate barbarian threat.
But having the GW built is necessary for the VV. VV means that there's no possible threat to you losing a city to barbs, i.e. with the GW built. (I'm not counting your Asian cities because it's early enough that you can amass troops there before they show up in force) 3 turns to go means you can whip it out the next turn (but sometimes not, since Rome is too small), which is when your GA strikes and that should be the date for the VV.
You can show the buildings criteria by zooming in to show the 1/3 UHV.
I think in the statistics tab (one of the F's) there's some table showing how many units you've killed or created and same for buildings, just cut and paste the created 5 of each building into one picture (even if you don't hold the cities with the buildings anymore it still counts if you've built a building, however capturing a city with the buildings doesn't count for the UHV).
I remember on my UHV win I flipped a city on the southernmost part of Italy (or did I conquer it from the greeks?) It was an excellent production city once I whipped the Moai statues on it and built every 1 of the UHV buildings pretty fast.
and AP I don't think it's required for a valid VV. I mean if he has even one Preat and one archer in each city they're pretty much secured.
Also if he doesn't spend his time for building the GW then it's a risk he's willing to take. I think if one gets all the other UHV's done then it counts for a VV, then, if he manages to not lose a city to barbs until 1000 AD the VV is qualified for the list.
I mean, what if someone played a game and got an even earlier VV than Zgoroth with more troops in each cities but also more gold to support them, but, China built the great wall before the player finished it, will the VV count then? Makes sense to me that it will, granted he provides proff of the actual UHV win.
Here is the proof of the first condition. AP isn't this sort of the same argument about when to count the Incan VV? It was between when you get the 3000 gold or whether or not you need to settler the whole continent. Blizzrd decided it s when you get the gold, and only if no Europeans settled. The VV is a date that if all achievements are met you win. Well I know you know that, but that is the argument. If Blizzrd decides I need the Great Wall then I will whip it out on this same date.
Just to save us all from some headaches... I went back three turns and rushed the Great wall. Many a fine Roman citizen, or Carthaginian slave, has died to sate your need AP .
Also, AP, TGW only defends your mainland cities, so the cities in Carthage aren't 100% protected against barbarians (or natives but I don't know if they count).
Also, AP, TGW only defends your mainland cities, so the cities in Carthage aren't 100% protected against barbarians (or natives but I don't know if they count).
Well, that's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt because barbs don't show up this early. He can always amass troops for the next 300 years in Asia and Africa.
Caligula didn't go down so well in history either, especially from what I read of Suetonius.
Well, to hijack your thread for a sec, wikipedia says a lot of good stuff about his early reign, and only after an illness (which probably made him live his life "to the fullest") that he became mad. His acts are very much in line with people like Henry VIII and Louis XIV (seizing assets for his treasury, lots and lots of sex, introducing laws that later became historical, construction of palaces and public works, lots of war, believing their god-like status, and SCANDALS). The only difference was that he got assassinated both in person and history.
Was Caligula the man who made his horse a senator? And no, I am not thinking of Alexander the Great...
Anyways since nobody has posted a better time for the 3000 B.C.E. France game I decided to improve my time. the 1700's just look bad for the quickest VV games. I believe the best chance of getting the Notre Dame is an early collapsed Rome. One time they had completed the Notre Dame in the 600's, very frustrating. However I reloaded the game with a much more favorable outcome. Rome was collapsed, and had not build that many cities. There was Strasbourg one tile South East and one tile East of Paris, and no cities in productive spots in German land.
The starting troops I had were really quite frightening. I had the troops from the barbarian flip on the Paris location, and the troops from the Bordeaux flip. I had three longbowmen, maybe twelve to fifteen axemen, and four swordsmen. I decided to celebrate by bringing some of the surrounding cities under my benign rule. I first went after Spain. I kept all three of their cities Barcelona, Madrid, and Cadiz. The surviving army went to regroup near Rome. I captured the city of Rome and destroyed a city on the heal of Italy. I then sent the rest to take over Independent Athens. Then I moved my troops to deal with unhappiness, Hereditary Rule.
I quickly researched Engineering. My economy was abysmal at first, but I created a plethora of cottages and slowly got better. I got a Great Engineer to immediately build the Notre Dame in Paris, to help it keep up its culture. Besides that I also created a Christian Cathedral and am in the process of building culture to keep Paris on top. I then beelined towards Democracy to build the Statue of Liberty in Madrid. Then I finally researched Optics and Astronomy. I quickly built some settler and settled my four cities in the Americas and gifted them to the Mayans all in one turn. Somehow the Mayans managed to lose New Orleans to one Dog Soldier, even though the city was defended by two macemen. However the event is counted right when you build the cities so that does not matter. I then beelined towards the Radio and managed to finish it in 1630. I built the Eiffel Tower in Strasbourg in one turn by using a saved Great Engineer, and good production to fill in the rest.
I will post the UHV when I finish. Currently Paris is making 125 culture a turn, while my second most culture productive city is making 115.
Here is the UHV proof. My final score 5878 as Neville Chamberlain. He is one down from Louise XIV...
Edition: Sorry, I forgot to post the UHV screen. Here it is.
I settled one tile South of the initial starting location, for access to the water for more trade. I sent all of my initial Immortals towards India and conquered their three cities Takshashila, Dilli, and an Eastern coastal city on an elephant. Shushan flipped to me and the Babylonians declared war. I used the extra Immortals I got to take care of them, they only had warriors for defense. I then conquered the rest of the Middle East. When my forces in India arrived I then pushed into Egypt. After that I built a few wonders, Moai Statues, The Great Lighthouse, and the Oracle in Sirajis, The Temple of Artemis in Shush, and the Hagia Sophia in Babirush. I used the free technology from the Oracle to get Theology. I used that for good technology trades with Rome and China, and as an added bonus I founded Christianity. When I had sufficient forces I declared war on Greece, capturing Byzantuim, Athens, and Sparta. I received the Parthenon from Athens, and the Colossus from Sparta. Along with Stone Henge from Egypt I had my seven wonders. I then quickly built settlers to get to eight percent. When I captured Dilli it already had the Mahabodhi, and I used a Great Prophet, from Dilli, to construct the Vishwanath.
This was easily the best score I have achieved in a UHV yet, with a score of thirty two thousand.
My strategy of quickly settling the entire coast of America gave me complete control of the New World(France actually settled Madagascar, is that normal?).
I continued investing in the New World and eventually moved my capital to Argentina with a Summer Palace in North America.
So I finally took the time to win my VV. It appears that I built the final required wonder in 385 BC in stead of 370 BC, so then I think the date would be 385 BC. The replay and the screenshots are included.
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