New civ suggestion for Civ V

[Erratica]

^This.

OP and two "other" users all joined recently - they even agree with each other. Hilarious...

Anyway, back on topic. I think the Civilization franchise has the amount of civilizations it needs. Furthermore, Bulgaria isnt really much different from all the other European countries left out.

It would be easier to justify Australia, as there isnt any nations represented down there on the map. Europe is swamped as it is. (If you play earth maps, that is.)

It's because I posted the same in Bulgarian forum so more people can share their thoughts. No clonings as far as I know ....

About the swamped Europe and Australia I'll be glad to see more and more nations in the game. After all more people will want to try their own nation ...

 

[Yared]

Something like +25% defence when fighting on any city square...

Do you mean the BFC?

 

[Camikaze]

Nations are significant. All nations. They have to be significant in order to become nations. But there are a lot of nations in the world, and there have been a lot of nations in the world. There have also been a lot of empires in the world. I would put Bulgaria as a middling empire, in terms of importance, but unfortunately that isn't enough to get in the game. And with the abundance of European empires to choose from, Bulgaria's case is even poorer.

Bulgaria should be part of the EU. Consolidation of the English, French, Spanish, Germans, Romans, Greeks....etc. So basically a Bulgarian player could control London, Paris, Madrid & Berlin in a cultural border of the EU.

Brussels is currently one of the main capitals of the EU and I think a new capital should be created for the rest of world blocks like NAFTA, the African Union, the Arab League, ASEAN....etc.

This could be a very good mod idea. As an add on for the next civilization game, I want a modern world mod, with, ideally, all modern nations on an absolutely massive map, but realistically, with about 30 civs on a quite large map. There's a mod group making something like this currently, but it would be good if it part of the actual game.

 

[Erratica]

This could be a very good mod idea. As an add on for the next civilization game, I want a modern world mod, with, ideally, all modern nations on an absolutely massive map, but realistically, with about 30 civs on a quite large map. There's a mod group making something like this currently, but it would be good if it part of the actual game.

It would be nice... I think that RFC should be more diverse in nations... more spawns needed ... not only Bulgaria. After the colapse of the Ottoman Empire - Turkey should respawn ... Australia like the US, Brazil after Portugal ... it would be more interesting ... The land of Canada is almost empty everytime ...

Also the resource mechanics should be changed! Only 1 Oil is needed to support a huge army of tanks and ships ...

 

[AmazonQueen]

Completely agree to the idea! Why should for instance small non-prosperous and negligible tribes in the ass of africa be taken into account?! Should i also remind that there was a medievil time when there were only three empires in europe where as everything else was considered unimportant - Byzantium, The Franks and Bulgaria?! And most importantly bulgarians have their own culture, customs, language ... it's just a whole different and diverse nation! I don't see what would cost the devs to bring a new country to the stage?!

No need to be offensive about peoples from other parts of the world. The Zulus are the only civ from that region of the world and before the Zulu War of 1879 were a feared power in the area

There are already many nations from Europe
Why add the Bulgers and not the Magyars or Poles?

Civ is a highly moddable game and if you'd prefer different choices (since not every possible civ can be included) why not create a mod adding the Bulgers

 

[Yared]

This could be a very good mod idea. As an add on for the next civilization game, I want a modern world mod, with, ideally, all modern nations on an absolutely massive map, but realistically, with about 30 civs on a quite large map. There's a mod group making something like this currently, but it would be good if it part of the actual game.

There's already a scenario like that where they have: America (Canada & USA), EU, Arab Nations, AU, Russia, China, South America, Latin America, Japan, Iran, Pakistan, India, Australia and South East Asia. I might've forgotten some nation

 

[Damyan]

I give the proposal below.

 

[Damyan]

Hello,
The game is fascinating, engrossing and very enjoyable. After reviewing the forum and I decided to write a line.

Should be added to the game and the Bulgarian nation, because there today. And not only that, the Bulgarians have founded the state of BULGARIA in 681, which is preserved and exists today, not changed its name and identity, unlike many other nations and countries. That is enough to include in the game and the Bulgarians as a nation.
Bulgaria and other nations have their unique development for the nation, it can be traced from the history.
Bulgarians have no small things in the world, although some are assigned to other peoples and countries.
I will mention some facts that I remember that Bulgarians are known in the world:
- They created Cyrillic, which is used today in some countries.
- Bulgaria has been a great empire during reign of Tsar Simeon I the Great from 893 to 927 years when it extends over the greater part of the Balkan Peninsula and is bordered on three seas - the Aegean, Adriatic and Black.
- Bulgarian army in the Balkan war for the first time in the world using aircraft bombardment.
- The creator of the computer is John Atanasov, who is of Bulgarian origin.
You can find more information about these and other known facts about Bulgaria.
These things can be taken into account as a bonus to the nation of the Bulgarians.

Each nation existing today must be present in this game as a bonus to them to surrender their unique characteristics.
The addition of as many things in the game associated with the development of humanity will further increase interest in the game.
This will make it more diverse, fascinating, exciting and emotional, which in turn will inevitably attract huge numbers of fans of the game from there and a large revenue for the developers and distributors of the game.

 

[Camikaze]

Firstly, welcome to the forums.

As I said previously in this thread, all nations in the world are significant, by very fact of being nations. However, there is finite room for civs in the game, so we need to choose the most significant ones, mixed with a bit of geographical place filling, in order to get the best mix. Bulgaria may warrant a place in the game if there were, say, 100 civs, but they cannot compete for limited spaces against the likes of Rome, France, China, etc.

 

[bezmozuk1]

I have recently found about that forum.I do not think that the addition of Bulgaria in the civ nations would hurt anyone.First of all I think that there should be as many civilizations in the game as possible.I have often played civilization with a great disappointment because I could not be with a nation with my favourite traits-for example philosophical and industrious or something like that.Adding more civilizations to the game would be quite a good way to solve that problem.Apart from that the justification that European map would become too swamped just doesn't work.You can always exclude Bulgaria from Earth's map if you are so reluctant to include it.For example in Rhye's and fall of civilization Korea was excluded.Yet it was represented in the original game and some other mods.At least a little mod for Bulgaria could be made-Balkan wars to say.It will include Byzantium,Bulgaria,Serbia,Hungary,Kievan Rus,Turkey etc.I think that Bulgaria deserves at least that.

PS:As for the UB and UU-you can use fortified monastery for example or sth like that-it will have the regular monastery bonus+some defense bonus.When the turks invaded Bulgaria it was time that only the monasteries remained unvanquished simply because they were so hardly fortified they could not be assaulted.The UU could be just a heavier sort of cavalry-to say 'Konnik' instead of Knight.Or maybe a certain sort of an early plane-of course most foreigners are ignorant of Bulgarian achievements but it was namely Bulgarians who made the first aerial bombing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adrianople_(1913)

 

[Silurian]

Perhaps there should be a mod of the Balkans with Macedonian, Serbia, Moldavia, Albania, Croatia, Thrace, etc

There have been lots of civilisations that have come and gone.
If they were all in the game you would run out of UU UB or they would be very similar.

 

[killmeplease]

a problem with addition of new civs is that it needs a lot of work on modeling leaderheads, uus and ubs. of course 1200 civilizations could be added if stated issues were non existent. there are some other civs more worth to be included in the game than some little known state that dominated its region for 34 years.

 

[Windsor]

I would actually find to many Civs to be annoying. A lot of UUs and UBs would be nearly the same, same goes for leader personalities. It would also be very hard to learn all the leaders(how to play them and how to play against them) and you wouldn't establish a relation to any of them. It's much more fun to kill Montezuma when you know what he did a few games ago and know his personality. With a bunch of leaders Monty would be just "one in a million" and nothing special at all.

Also, instead of always drawing some famous leaders you would end up with mostly insignificant ones.

 

[Yared]

If we let just any riffraff in, there'd be no prestige in being in CIV!!

 

[Silurian]

little known state that dominated its region for 34 years

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Please explain

 

[killmeplease]

- bulgaria has been a great empire during uprallenieto of tsar simeon i the great from 893 to 927 years when it extends over the greater part of the balkan peninsula and is bordered on three seas - the aegean, adriatic and black.

927-893=34.

 

[RobinHat]

I have Bulgaria in my own mod I'm making. Under Boris I. I am not sure what UU/UB to give them though. Any ideas?

 

[Yared]

Bulgarians have often said something about heavy horse men?

 

[Camikaze]

Yeah, I think Bulgaria safely sits on the 'almost there' list. That's the list that will never quite warrant a place in the game, despite the fact that there will always be argument for it.

 

[RobinHat]

Yeah, I think Bulgaria safely sits on the 'almost there' list. That's the list that will never quite warrant a place in the game, despite the fact that there will always be argument for it.

Just behind Denmark and Sweden...