New Civs VOTE

Whých cývs would you add to Cýv3 and PTW?

  • The Hittites

    Votes: 79 15.0%
  • The Assyrians

    Votes: 93 17.7%
  • The Netherlands

    Votes: 157 29.8%
  • The Portuguese

    Votes: 160 30.4%
  • The Jews (Israel)

    Votes: 164 31.2%
  • The Scots

    Votes: 102 19.4%
  • Aboriginal Australia

    Votes: 77 14.6%
  • The Inca

    Votes: 245 46.6%
  • The Khmer

    Votes: 56 10.6%
  • The Tibetans

    Votes: 52 9.9%
  • The Polynesians

    Votes: 109 20.7%
  • The Indonesians

    Votes: 63 12.0%
  • The Maya

    Votes: 164 31.2%
  • The Goths

    Votes: 73 13.9%
  • The Armenians

    Votes: 27 5.1%
  • The Thai

    Votes: 66 12.5%
  • Nubia/ another sub-saharan cýv on pan-SSAfrican cýv

    Votes: 113 21.5%
  • The Poles

    Votes: 83 15.8%
  • Another Slav cýv or a Pan-Slav Cýv

    Votes: 50 9.5%
  • other

    Votes: 88 16.7%

  • Total voters
    526
Originally posted by Portuguese
Port, Dutch, Summerians, Hitites, Mayans and Incas are in!!!
(THIS ARE FOR SURE!!!)

No credible source has released other Civ names.

Course I'm very happy :D
[dance]

There is only one missing ......:D

That civ will be ?

My vote... some Pacific civ
 
:D Yeah!!! The Dutch are coming!!!
I only hope we get a William of Orange leaderhead and not Queen Wilhelmina (in the WWII scenario they used a modern Ceasar as a substitute instead of female Catherine, who looks a lot like Wilhelmina make you suspect that they don't have a modern "male" portret ready). She was a great queen, but if you will ask any Dutchman there was in history only one great leader who deserves to represent the Dutch and is the founder of the Dutch nation and that's William of Nassau (otherwise known as William of Orange).

On gamespot they said the Babylonians weren't in the normal game. Maybe because there are only 31 playable civs (at one game) possible Atari have replaced them withe Summerians in the normal game (I don't think there were enough cities for both civs). That would mean that there are 8 new civs what Atari originally anounced. Original game 15 (the 16 minus the Babylonians) + PTW 8 + Conquests 8 = 31.
If I'm right then we know 6 new ones and have two to go :egypt:
1 Hatti or Hittites (whatever they call them)
2 Sumerians
3 Inca
4 Maya
5 Portugal
6 The Netherlands
7 ??
?8 ??

I'm hoping for the Polynesians and the Khmer. But we will see.:p
 
why they still didn;t include Holland is a riddle

Holland played a mayor part in oversea settlement, colonization, trade

during the 16th and 17th century Holland was even bigger then England in trade and fleet power.

Holland was in war several times, one time, the 80year war.

and look at Indonesia, till the end of tyhe first half of the 20th century it was a colony of the Netherlands.

but why add Civ's some ppl never even heard of that played a part during beginning of times, some not even that big?
 
I'd like to see the Songhai, Israelis, Khmer, and Abyssinians in the new expansion. They all are important civs throughout history, and would fill out the world map nicely.
 
Isn't Holland and the Netherlands the same place?

Yes and no!
Most people around the world call my country Holland.
It's official name is "Kingdom of the Netherlands" In dutch we say "Nederland".
Holland are two coastal provinces (North and South Holland). But in the 16, 17 and 18 hundreds they were still united and it's from there were most of the ships that went on to sail around the world sailed off. And foreigners who came from over sea first came to Holland. So in most languages they say Holland when they mean the Netherlands.
Most of my countryfolk don't mind that much. But on official occasions it will and should always be the Netherlands.
 
And why not the Maori??? (New Zeland)
For my it's the only pacific tribe that have same "spice" to work on!!!
 
Originally posted by calgacus
Well, because they are the indigenous inhabitants of S.Africa. They have black skin, but they are not strictly speaking of the Black "race". As an indigenous people, they have perhaps more right to represent S.Sfrica than the Boers or Zulu.


Please, Calgacus, get your history/etnography right! The pygmies are from central Africa. You must be refferring to the Khoisan, also known less flatteringly as Hottentots or Bushmen. The have an amazingly complicated language with over 19 click-sounds (nice idea for some .wav files?). They were/are basically a nomadic and hunters nation. Not sure whether that's what historians call a civilisation (no racism or derogatory intentions. You would need cities, at least, right?).

That said, I like the idea of the Afrikaner civ. Lots of nice city names to be had. Some even hilariosuly funny to the Dutch ear, like "Verneukpan"...

speaking of Dutch: they should definetely be in! They were one of the great seafaring powers of the 17th century...

I recommend dykes and windmills as improvements!

And how about a landclaiming ability? Converting shallow coastalwaters to land done by workers. The sort of land that gets flooded when the dykes are bombed...

And Wiliam of Orange should, of course , be the leader, not Queen Wilhelmina.

And, who suggested this?, marihuana as a luxury? Not sure whether that would hamper production [PIMP]
 
Originally posted by Zenon_pt
And why not the Maori??? (New Zeland)
For my it's the only pacific tribe that have same "spice" to work on!!!
Maori?
Why not Australians?

(É por essas e por outras q Portugal acaba excluido: a grandeza da área ocupada na época aurea devia interessar...)
 
Originally posted by W S Churchill



Please, Calgacus, get your history/etnography right! The pygmies are from central Africa. You must be refferring to the Khoisan, also known less flatteringly as Hottentots or Bushmen. The have an amazingly complicated language with over 19 click-sounds (nice idea for some .wav files?). They were/are basically a nomadic and hunters nation. Not sure whether that's what historians call a civilisation (no racism or derogatory intentions. You would need cities, at least, right?).

[PIMP]


Churchill, you ought to be less clumsy when correcting someone. "Pygmy" is a generic name which includes the Hottentots, so I'm totally correct :p.

Cities? You'd get them the same way they got the Iroquois list!
 
Originally posted by calgacus



Churchill, you ought to be less clumsy when correcting someone. "Pygmy" is a generic name which includes the Hottentots, so I'm totally correct :p.

Cities? You'd get them the same way they got the Iroquois list!

Is it?:confused: Maybe you *are* right... But then, maybe that would go a long way to indicate it is not a good option for an added civ...

Maybe here's a better one: the Moguls from northern India. the great muslim empire there before the English came to claim the lands... they were highly cultured. Not sure whether it was they that build the Taj Mahal.

Lots of this is covered by the Indians, I'm sure though.

I am afraid we'll have to opt for the Dutch after all :cool:
 
Originally posted by Portuguese
For the last 2 (if they are 2...), I'd like to see:

Hebrews/Jews/Isralis - Would give interesting scenarios in middle east
Polinesyans/Aboriginal Australia - Australia is empty...

From what I've heard, it will be 1 civ and not 2. In that respect, the Israelis are definetly one of, if not, the best choices.

But why the love affair with aboriginal australia I will never understand. So Australia is empty. Big deal. That just means you place a bunch of barbarian tribes throughout it. It's better than having a civ that barely got past the stone age controlling a whole damn continent and becoming a super power by the middle age. Thankfully, the wise people at Firaxis seem to have enough sense not to include them in there.

Same goes for the Polynesians. That whole arguement about the Paciffic being empty without them makes no sense. The Paciffic is ALREADY EMPTY. There is NOTHING in there. On even the most detailed and largest of world maps, you'd be hard pressed to find more than tiny one square islands in the place (Except perhaps for Hawaii, which would take the civ about 200 turns to discover). Common. And then you have the same problem as the Aborigenees. What will the Polynesian AI do? Why, he'll take his early naval unit UU, discover Australia, colonize it before anyone else, and become a superpower when in real life they were nothing of the sort.

The Goths also puzzle me. You already have the Germans, French, Spanish, Celts in that entire region. Not only that, but some of those before mentioned civs are in fact descendants of the goths. What have the Goths ever done that puts them ahead of the cultures that came from them? There are much more important European civs to add, such as the Hungarians, or Poles. But another European civ is the last thing we need. If however, any European civ is needed, it's the Poles. Russia was always the most powerul Slavic country, but Poland is probably second. Not only do the Poles have historical importance but they actually fill a practical void between Germany and Russia while managing to obtain pretty much the same power they had throughout history , unlike some other civs I know.

The Scots are an interesting choice. They've certainly accomplished a lot and are well known. But in the end I don't see why they deserve to be a civ any more than Hungary or Poland. I'll say this though. I wouldn't mind replacing the Celts with the Scots... more specific and more interesting. Besides Calgacus, you already have a leaderhead the surpasses even the original Firaxis ones in quality, and an amazing custom unit. Other civs dont have either one.

Yeah there's definetly a void north of the zulus, but there's no point in filling it with some hardly known civilization, when both the Malis and the Eithopes/Abyssians are much more important, and would cover HUGE currently unpopulated regions of the continent.

Releas the Hungarians, not the Austro-Hungarians. Those guys totally ****ed up the Balkans, helping lay the seeds for many of the regions current problems. Besides, Poles had just as much territory...

I prefer the Mali towards the Songhai, even though they both covered what was essentially the same region.

In mz opinion the following are the civs that deserve consideration for this last spot (From least necessary, to most needed):

5. Ethiopes
4. Mali
3. Poles
2. Israelis
1. Khmers/Siamese (One of the two)
 
C´mon.... South America needs a better civ to represent it, not some civ that is already dead, like the Incas. It should be Brazil! The biggest, richest and strongest country in South America and maybe, Latina America. Brazil should be in Civilization III: Conquests!!!
 
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