Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
Nubia isn't Ethiopia.
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Nubia isn't Ethiopia.
The Last Conformist
Irresistibly Attractive
Novaya Havoc: Just why wouldn't you class Mongolia and India as "ASIAN"?
I can see the argument of stuffing China, Korea and Japan in one box which does not contain Mongolia or India, but to label that box "Asian" seems really weird, since these three does after all not make up even close to half of Asia. The box might be labeled "East Asian" or perhaps "Confucianist".
I can see the argument of stuffing China, Korea and Japan in one box which does not contain Mongolia or India, but to label that box "Asian" seems really weird, since these three does after all not make up even close to half of Asia. The box might be labeled "East Asian" or perhaps "Confucianist".
Novaya Havoc
Hollerback for Catherine
The parenthetical addition of Ethiopia was not meant to claim that the two are the same cultures, but rather that -- to my preference -- they are interchangeable as a WEST African civ.
-Ben
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
I agree but as long as you maintain them in EAST Africa...
samildanach
Necrophile
Originally posted by oldman rupert
I agree, I think that aboriginal australian civ should be included.
In pure civ terms they have played a blinder in regards to their start position on the world map. Also considering their first contact was with the British Empire ( a homicidal expansionist diety level opponent if ever there was one ) and latterly have had to put up with a ruthless post-colonial administration bent on destroying or assimilating them, they have done very well to survive. The future also looks brighter now that they are in a position to "renegotiate" land treaties and that they have managed to catch up on the old tech tree.
I agree, I think that aboriginal australian civ should be included.
In pure civ terms they have played a blinder in regards to their start position on the world map. Also considering their first contact was with the British Empire ( a homicidal expansionist diety level opponent if ever there was one ) and latterly have had to put up with a ruthless post-colonial administration bent on destroying or assimilating them, they have done very well to survive. The future also looks brighter now that they are in a position to "renegotiate" land treaties and that they have managed to catch up on the old tech tree.
Got to go for Israel. They've been at the center of most world events virtually since their inception, and I think they have earned their spot in civilization. And besides, they have certainly accomplished more than some of the other potential civs, after all, they did quite decisively defeat and entire army of united Arab forces. Of course, they'd have the Industrious trait (fits 'em perfectl). The second one'd be religious, they are, after all, the center of the three monotheistic religiouns (well, maybe not quite the center of Islam, though they are close to Mecca). However, it's ironic, even though they are the birthplace of two major religions, most Israelis are fairly seculuar... anyway, I'd say they'd hav eto be included.
Novaya Havoc
Hollerback for Catherine
... Dammit! <lol> <sigh> My directions are getting all wonky. Yes, yes... East. ;D
Thanks.
-Ben
Aramazd
Deity
I voted other Cicilia or Uratu would be great choices
frekk
Scourge of St. Lawrence
I voted Inca - and it seems to be a popular choice. My reasoning is that this was a unique cultural area with no representatives in the game at all so far. The Aztecs were included and yet they were nowhere near as sophisticated in terms of government and administration as the Inca. The Aztecs didn't even have an empire - just a bunch of vassal states who paid tribute to the Triple Alliance of which the Aztecs (Mexica) were one member. The Incan Empire was a true empire, with all of its territories completely under its administration. They get my vote too because of all the precolumbian cultures, the Inca were IMHO the most likely to become advanced. They had a mind for mechanics, evidenced by their use of hydraulic principles in irrigating mountaintop cities and by their massive textile manufacturing which was almost an industrial revolution. Don't forget that's how our own industrial revolution began - with water power and textiles. The only thing they really lacked was writing, and I'm sure there would have been eventual contact with Yucatan and Mexico to provide this. Mayan traders reached northern Panama and Incan traders had reached Colombia so they weren't really all that far from discovering each other.
frekk
Scourge of St. Lawrence
Err .. no. The Aztecs didn't get anywhere near Peru. And the Incas were only around for a short while, at least as an Empire. Their imperial period is usually defined as being from 1430 to their conquest by Pizarro in 1532 (though the last Inca ruler wasnt really brought down until 1572). The Aztecs too were expanding in the 1400s and fell just a few years before the Inca (1519). The Inca were around a little longer than the Aztecs, though, having first appeared around 1110 whereas the Aztecs first appeared in 1325 with the founding of Tenochtitlan. But their period of imperial expansion was roughly simultaneous. In any case, these two groups never met.
But I do agree that they deserve it more than the Aztecs because really, the Aztecs weren't an empire. They didn't administer their conquests, they just demanded tribute and payment from them. The Inca moved in settlers, officials, etc and fully administered all their conquered territories. They were much more advanced in their government and society, having an almost feudal system of land ownership complete with serfs (peons).
frekk
Scourge of St. Lawrence
I thought they (Byzantium) were in there already .... if not, yeah, they should REALLY be in there. OMG I just checked. They aren't there. OK I have to say this is wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!!!!
Spanish and Vikings were included in PTW
Pvt. Cowboy
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Bumping an old thread, but since I'm a newbie here it's all relative to me.
I'd certainly add the Hebrews, Dutch, Inca, Thai, and Khmer. All of those peoples are civilizations of their own right:
1. The Hebrews being the stand-alone cultivators of the modern moral compass through their theology since the time of Abraham, which is about when the game 'Civilization' begins, belong here for that wonder alone, yet there's so much more: One needn't be a student of Scripture to know the history of the great army of David, the temple of Jerusalem, the wisdom and libraries of it's scholars, the invention of modern trading, banking, and economy, or that rights are born unto man by God and not permitted to men by kings. I would expect that one of the new government types in the 2nd CivIII add-on pack is 'Theology', returning from CivII. It only makes sense. (Either RELIGIOUS, COMMERCIAL or RELIGIOUS, INDUSTRIOUS)
2. The Dutch for their golden age of the 17th Century that commanded a sea-change in trade, sciences, art, and imperialism. Most people hardly know that the Dutch practically ruled the world in the 17th century, or brought about so much in so little time. (COMMERCIAL, EXPANSIONIST)
3. I'd add the Inca for the obvious fact of the remnant ruins of their civilization proves that they were large, wealthy, akin to large scale construction, and content with their culture for years. Their commerce factor should be through the roof. (COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIOUS)
4. The Thai and Khmer fill a gap between PTW's Koreans and Civ's Chinese. More of East Asia needs coverage in the game, and the the addition of these new civilizations would round out the great civilizations of ancient Asia. Much was built and lost of those cultures but what remains is proof of a golden age of civilization. (MILITARISTIC, INDUSTRIOUS)
I'd certainly add the Hebrews, Dutch, Inca, Thai, and Khmer. All of those peoples are civilizations of their own right:
1. The Hebrews being the stand-alone cultivators of the modern moral compass through their theology since the time of Abraham, which is about when the game 'Civilization' begins, belong here for that wonder alone, yet there's so much more: One needn't be a student of Scripture to know the history of the great army of David, the temple of Jerusalem, the wisdom and libraries of it's scholars, the invention of modern trading, banking, and economy, or that rights are born unto man by God and not permitted to men by kings. I would expect that one of the new government types in the 2nd CivIII add-on pack is 'Theology', returning from CivII. It only makes sense. (Either RELIGIOUS, COMMERCIAL or RELIGIOUS, INDUSTRIOUS)
2. The Dutch for their golden age of the 17th Century that commanded a sea-change in trade, sciences, art, and imperialism. Most people hardly know that the Dutch practically ruled the world in the 17th century, or brought about so much in so little time. (COMMERCIAL, EXPANSIONIST)
3. I'd add the Inca for the obvious fact of the remnant ruins of their civilization proves that they were large, wealthy, akin to large scale construction, and content with their culture for years. Their commerce factor should be through the roof. (COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIOUS)
4. The Thai and Khmer fill a gap between PTW's Koreans and Civ's Chinese. More of East Asia needs coverage in the game, and the the addition of these new civilizations would round out the great civilizations of ancient Asia. Much was built and lost of those cultures but what remains is proof of a golden age of civilization. (MILITARISTIC, INDUSTRIOUS)
Pvt. Cowboy
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... Oh, and the Portuguese.
(For the reasons mentioned previously by the Portuguese members)
(For the reasons mentioned previously by the Portuguese members)
Junzi Nicuzn
Gaijin Samurai
I have to say I want to see the Khmer in the next game
I'm probably saying that because I'm in love with a Cambodian girl, but oh well
I'm probably saying that because I'm in love with a Cambodian girl, but oh well
Aramazd
Deity
I changed my mind Armenia would be a great civ it actully conqeured Palistine before it was severly weaked and captured by Persia
Frisian Warrior
with a cannon
The Frisians!
militaristic, expansionistic
capital: Ljouwert
militaristic, expansionistic
capital: Ljouwert
Jon Shafer
Civilization 5 Designer
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