New Conquests

[SewerStarFish]

I've really enjoyed playing the conquests scenarios, and can imagine quite a few others. I would really enjoy another group added to Civ IV. Some that come to mind would be WWI, the original unification of China, The kingdoms of the Rajah's, The US Civil War, the Age of Colonialization (even area specific:Africa, Asia, Americas).

I hope Civ VI has the old ones as well. Sometimes I'm just in the mood for a shorter more specific goal oriented game.

 

[The Yankee]

By original unification, you mean something like the Warring States period after the fall of the Zhou or when the Qin Kingdom took over everyone else?

I think a Three Kingdoms conquest would be cool too...then again, I haven't played C3C yet.

 

[Dell19]

We could have a late medieval europe civ with a large number of civs playing on the map where England would still have it's French territorys and Germany would largely consist of 1 city provinces with the Russian nations as well so it would be potentially possible to take Novgorad or Muscowy and form Russia whilst still possible to take he last remnents of the Byzantine empire and push back the Ottomans and the Greeks.

 

[Garbarsardar.jr]

The greeks were nowhere near a nation at the time...
BTW I think that this could be covered in a mod with the present game
OTOH if Civ4 has dynamic aspect(fingers crossed) mods like this would be compelling...!

 

[Philips beard]

WW2 in Europe is a must!

 

[Garbarsardar.jr]

WW2 in Europe is a must!

Hear,hear hear! But still there are good ww2 scenarios in the forums...

 

[Philips beard]

Yep, but I bet Firaxis can come up with something better, and with less bugs!

 

[baseballfan45]

cold war definitely, maybe some of you guys remember WW79 scenario in civ 2

 

[Dell19]

The greeks were nowhere near a nation at the time...

Okay its not quite Greece but there is the Duchy of Athens which happens to be a vassal of Tuscany but they do get involved in the final war against the Byzantine empire...

 

[SewerStarFish]

By original unification, you mean something like the Warring States period after the fall of the Zhou or when the Qin Kingdom took over everyone else?

I think a Three Kingdoms conquest would be cool too...then again, I haven't played C3C yet.

My first answer is: both. But if only one is possible, then whichever yields the more balanced game. The Qin game could be made either into a long or short scenario depending on how it's set up.

I do like that there are shorter scenarios, e.g. MesoAmerica and the 1st scenario. I hope the next set also has a mix of quick and longer scenarios.

 

[The Yankee]

The Qin conquest was rather quick....just over a decade, IIRC. Could probably be even made into weeks or months for play.

But....we can come up with at least a few dozen deserving conquests...but I think a better option, aside from some additions, would be all the tools needed for our scenario and mod makers to make epic and almost perfect downloads for the rest of us.

 

[Pook]

I like the WW I and WW II ideas. I would also like to see:
- Britain from 451 AD when the Romans pulled out, through the Norman invasion of 1066. At start, the Romanized Britons led by Riomanthus (the historical basis for Arthur?) could try to hold on to Britain, while the Welsh and Picts try to hold on to their lands. They would be invaded by the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Scots, Danes, Vikings, etc. You would achieve victory by either conquering a large chunk of land or being named Bretwalda (overlord).
- Pelopponesian War, fighting over Greece as the Athenians, Spartans, Persians, Argives, Thebians, Boeotians, etc. This 27-year war has plenty of potential for a good scenario.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Yep, but I bet Firaxis can come up with something better, and with less bugs!

After comparing the C3C conquests with the best scenarios available here, I'd not have much faith in that.

 

[dh_epic]

cold war definitely, maybe some of you guys remember WW79 scenario in civ 2

The problem with this scenario was that it wasn't a cold war. It was a regular war.

I'd really like to see Civ 4 up the ante, where a cold war scenario involves a surface peace between the US and the soviets...

But underneath it all, they're using intelligence, trade, and puppet governments to wage war in South America, Southeast Asia, and Africa. You give weapons to the regimes you want, issue propaganda, overthrow governments you hate, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Victory Point for Soviets: Turn a nation Communist
Victory for USA: Turn a nation to a Dictatorship
Draw: Anyone uses a nuclear weapon

More just throwing that out there to illustrate it can be more than just conquest

 

[ManOfMiracles]

I would also like to see:
- Britain from 451 AD when the Romans pulled out, through the Norman invasion of 1066. At start, the Romanized Britons led by Riomanthus (the historical basis for Arthur?) could try to hold on to Britain, while the Welsh and Picts try to hold on to their lands. They would be invaded by the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Scots, Danes, Vikings, etc. You would achieve victory by either conquering a large chunk of land or being named Bretwalda (overlord).

A resounding yes!

 

[Pook]

I'd really like to see Civ 4 up the ante, where a cold war scenario involves a surface peace between the US and the soviets...

But underneath it all, they're using intelligence, trade, and puppet governments to wage war in South America, Southeast Asia, and Africa. You give weapons to the regimes you want, issue propaganda, overthrow governments you hate, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Victory Point for Soviets: Turn a nation Communist
Victory for USA: Turn a nation to a Dictatorship
Draw: Anyone uses a nuclear weapon

I agree with everything you wrote except the victory condition for the US. Dictatorship? How could that be considered a victory for the US? I realize that Canadians sometimes refer to those of us in the US as "North Mexicans", but please.... Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the US to turn a country into a republic or a democracy? I never considered Pinochet a victory.

 

[dh_epic]

We'll probably disagree, but I think we agree in spirit so we can leave it at that.

Any time an election was held in Latin America, the people voted in a socialist let alone communist leader, someone who was very much opposed to the USA. So often, they'd install an opposing regime. The same is true elsewhere, I think, just not sure if it's to the same extent.

Guatamala, Indonesia, Ecuador, the failed Bay of Pigs, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Chile (as you said), Nicaragua ... all attempts to install regimes more friendly to the US after a shift to the left. And I'll tell you, none of those regimes were democracies.

I mean we really are just brainstorming, but maybe to keep things politically neutral, the goal should be installing friendly / puppet regimes. I'd love to see the US and USSR battling it out through surrogates in Angola, while maintaining peace when they meet in the UN You win if they're friendly to you, lose if they're friendly to the other guy, and a draw if they're neutral.

 

[~Corsair#01~]

I'd say a Barbarossa Conquest is a must.

 

[Pook]

DH epic, I agree. I can tell by your "signature" and my "location" that we'll never agree politically. I like your idea for a Cold War scenario fought largely through proxy states and diplomacy. I also like the WW II in Europe idea, and of course my post-Roman Britain idea.
I haven't seen any responses to my Peloponnesian War idea. Too bad- that book was required reading in my Strategy & Policy course, and that war is a fascinating study of a maritime power (Athens) versus a land power (Sparta), with the Persians, Thebians, Argives, and Syracusans thrown in for good measure. It also describes how, during a long struggle, major powers come to regard their allies as vassals. When reading it, you could easily substitute "American" for "Athenian", and "Soviet" for "Spartan", and it reads just as well.
One thing I haven't figured out is how to handle Alcibiades. This character started the war as an Athenian general, then became a Spartan advisor, then became a Persian advisor, then became an Athenian politician again.

 

[RFHolloway]

I would also like to see:
- Britain from 451 AD when the Romans pulled out, through the Norman invasion of 1066. At start, the Romanized Britons led by Riomanthus (the historical basis for Arthur?) could try to hold on to Britain, while the Welsh and Picts try to hold on to their lands. They would be invaded by the Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Scots, Danes, Vikings, etc. You would achieve victory by either conquering a large chunk of land or being named Bretwalda (overlord).

There was a board game called Britannia which took the time period from the original roman invasion (55BC?) to just after the 1066 invasion, which might prove an interesting resource for this. The mechanisms were quite similar to CIV,(i.e. holding territory gives more armies) though much more simplified