New DLC at August: Korea ()

[Louis XXIV]

Well, not impossible, but certainly more difficult. I've taken cities with Crossbows and Longswords before.

I usually went with a Trebuchet replacement since previous Civ games always made it an earlier unit. But I could definitely see a Cannon instead. A cannon without setup would make a lot of sense, since there are no archer-like units by that point.

 

[Thormodr]

Hardly middle of the pack. Consider Wikipedia's (take it with a grain of salt, but the sourced they reference are *mostly* worthy):

So basically, component-wise, they are very active and capable scientists, and very well resourced. The fervor for education isn't mentioned here either, but we all know that in Civ universities add a research bonus.

Concerning your final comment: Personally I enjoy great internet service here in Seoul, even during lightning storms and heavy rain. If that's not the case for you, I sympathize.

Should have given a link for your information.

Here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Korea

I think the opening two paragraphs tell a somewhat different story.

Like most other regions in the world, science and technology in Korea has experienced periods of intense growth as well as long periods of stagnation.

Past kingdoms and dynasties in Korea were often invaded and the aftermath of these conflicts caused the various governments to divert funds to reconstruction rather than cultural or scientific development. During the Joseon Dynasty Korea was under the effects of Neo-Confucianism and had a status system which prevented most citizens from being educated or even literate. Moreover, Joseon society had a negative view toward scientists and gave them no formal support. The exception to this is the reign of Sejong the Great and a few other sovereigns of Joseon who realized that Korea's isolationist Hermit kingdom policy was a failure and prevented the flow of new ideas and technology to Korea.

Periods of intense growth and long periods of stagnation doesn't exactly strike me as consistent. Also, outside of the notable exceptions of Sejong's rule and the last 30 years, Korea has been average at best to below average scientifically. As noted, Joseon Dynasty Korea was better known for discouraging science than encouraging it. The parasitic upper class who wanted to maintain the status quo and keep their iron grip on power saw to that.

As well as this, high literacy rates were unknown in Korea until the mid 20th century.
Only around 1% of Koreans were literate during the Joseon Dynasty period. Once again, the parasitic upper class as well as Neo-Confucianism saw to that.

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Also, here is a list of inventions per country. It should give you a very rough idea of which countries are well known scientifically.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Inventions_by_country

Korea is credited with the invention of the multiple rocket launcher and thundersticks apparently. (They seem to have forgotten the standardized rain gauge, however.)

 

[seasnake]

Perhaps then the ability should be a bonus to culture and science during Golden Ages? Like +50 percent culture, science during golden ages.

Still, we'll see what's what pretty soon (I hope).

 

[Louis XXIV]

Periods of intense growth and long periods of stagnation doesn't exactly strike me as consistent.

The same could be said about Babylon. Certainly when it was an Assyrian client state, it wasn't great scientifically. In fact, I'd argue, throughout most of their history, they were not the forefront of scientific advancement.

Also, outside of the notable exceptions of Sejong's rule and the last 30 years, Korea has been average at best to below average scientifically.

Well, if Sejong is the leader, it wouldn't be inappropriate to give them an ability to reflect that. After all, outside of a few centuries around the time of Isabella, Spain weren't really known for their explorers. But that's their ability. The UA doesn't necessarily have to reflect their entire history, just part of it as long as it works well for that part.

 

[Thormodr]

The same could be said about Babylon. Certainly when it was an Assyrian client state, it wasn't great scientifically. In fact, I'd argue, throughout most of their history, they were not the forefront of scientific advancement.



Well, if Sejong is the leader, it wouldn't be inappropriate to give them an ability to reflect that. After all, outside of a few centuries around the time of Isabella, Spain weren't really known for their explorers. But that's their ability. The UA doesn't necessarily have to reflect their entire history, just part of it as long as it works well for that part.

That would make a certain amount of sense. I find Civilization 5 to be a whole lot less epic than its predecessor. Basically playing a character rather than a civilization would certainly play into that notion.

If you compare Korea's scientific achievements as a whole next to say those of England, Germany, France, Greece, Babylon, India, America, etc it's really no contest. Even Poland is much more noteworthy in that regard. (Poland should have been added as a Civ many sequels ago IMO)

I guess the real problem is that the game doesn't have secondary traits and abilities. The game has always been somewhat simplistic in that regard.
That and only one leader per civilization. Perhaps that will change in the future though.

 

[Dokebi]

Less than a week guys, we will find out what Korea has. Your voices now wont change the fact what Korea has now.

Dying to play Korea! I wonder if they will also come out with some fixes on the game(patches) or is it just DLC and scenario?

 

[ShahJahanII]

Less than a week guys, we will find out what Korea has. Your voices now wont change the fact what Korea has now.

Dying to play Korea! I wonder if they will also come out with some fixes on the game(patches) or is it just DLC and scenario?

the Korean site doesn't say anything about a scenario does it?

 

[Dokebi]

the Korean site doesn't say anything about a scenario does it?

No mention of Korea scenario on the site. The scenarios I was talking about was people that have found on steam file. (scenario_06) Korea could be scenario_05...but we will have to wait what scenario_05 will be.


When other DLC came out before, Vikings, Spain, Inca, etc, did they come out with patches for game fixes also or just DLC and scenario?

 

[ShahJahanII]

No mention of Korea scenario on the site. The scenarios I was talking about was people that have found on steam file. (scenario_06) Korea could be scenario_05...but we will have to wait what scenario_05 will be.


When other DLC came out before, Vikings, Spain, Inca, etc, did they come out with patches for game fixes also or just DLC and scenario?

Some of them came with smaller patches, probably just to adjust for the new civ.

 

[moysturfurmer]

Some of them came with smaller patches, probably just to adjust for the new civ.

Natural wonders etc

 

[TW_Honorius]

the Korean site doesn't say anything about a scenario does it?

not from what i saw on the translations, its all about picking the leader.

 

[ShahJahanII]

not from what i saw on the translations, its all about picking the leader.

Maybe their patriotism is making them forget the main goal.
Its good to see the Koreans finally getting their own civ.
Its definitely a civ worth adding, plays a major role in history, and may be playing an even bigger role in the future.

 

[civ7]

It's really not though, it's middle of the pack, at best.
http://royalsociety.org/knowledge-networks-nations-graph/

and I'll be honest with you, the internet is a dog's breakfast these days in Korea. They've completely outpaced their ability to provide.

You're totally misunderstanding what that graph is about. It's not measuring contribution to science or science publishing. It's measuring international collaboration in science. So if a bunch of American scientists write a paper and no non-American is included, that paper wouldn't count for nothing in the graph (actually it would drag the measurement on the x axis DOWN)

 

[civ7]

If you compare Korea's scientific achievements as a whole next to say those of England, Germany, France, Greece, Babylon, India, America, etc it's really no contest. Even Poland is much more noteworthy in that regard. (Poland should have been added as a Civ many sequels ago IMO)

I agree though I would except India. India's achievements on a raw scale are greater, but India has also had a much larger population. A nation's achievements have to be weighed against their population over time. A small nation achieving much is much more noteworthy than a large nation achieving the same.

What's noteworthy about Poland? It's mathematicians?

 

[Thormodr]

I agree though I would except India. India's achievements on a raw scale are greater, but India has also had a much larger population. A nation's achievements have to be weighed against their population over time. A small nation achieving much is much more noteworthy than a large nation achieving the same.

What's noteworthy about Poland? It's mathematicians?

Certainly there is that. Quite a few famous Polish scientists with Nicolaus Copernicus and Marie Curie-Sklodowska being the most famous.

Here's a few fairly noteworthy inventions as well:

Aeroscope
Bomba (cryptography)
Czochralski process
Delta wing
Ebulliometer
K-202
Kerosene lamp
Lacida
Nagra
Pleograph
Polish mine detector
Polish notation
Reverse Polish notation
Sendzimir process
Swiatecki bomb slip
V-tail
Vickers Tank Periscope MK.IV
Vis pistol
Vodka
Wz. 35 anti-tank rifle
Zygalski sheets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoryolish_inventions

As well as this:

http://polandian.home.pl/index.php/2009/04/21/six-cool-inventions-you-didnt-know-were-polish/

Polish-origin Nobel Prize Laureates. Pretty impressive list actually.

http://pl-nobel.prv.pl/

All in all, for a small, war torn country that was fought over by its neighbours constantly, they've done pretty well for themselves.

 

[Pouakai]

If you're done, can we get back to Korea?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Certainly there is that. Quite a few famous Polish scientists with Nicolaus Copernicus and Marie Curie-Sklodowska being the most famous.

Here's a few fairly noteworthy inventions as well:

Aeroscope
Bomba (cryptography)
Czochralski process
Delta wing
Ebulliometer
K-202
Kerosene lamp
Lacida
Nagra
Pleograph
Polish mine detector
Polish notation
Reverse Polish notation
Sendzimir process
Swiatecki bomb slip
V-tail
Vickers Tank Periscope MK.IV
Vis pistol
Vodka
Wz. 35 anti-tank rifle
Zygalski sheets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoryolish_inventions

As well as this:

http://polandian.home.pl/index.php/2009/04/21/six-cool-inventions-you-didnt-know-were-polish/

Polish-origin Nobel Prize Laureates. Pretty impressive list actually.

http://pl-nobel.prv.pl/

All in all, for a small, war torn country that was fought over by its neighbours constantly, they've done pretty well for themselves.

Thank you! I'm Polish, here, have a virtual cookie.

Now back to the main topic...

Maybe there won't be an actual Scenario with Korea? like with Babylon? Well, Babylon is half-DLC.

 

[Dokebi]

Does DLC come out the same time as any other countries? Meaning, did Vikings, Spain, Inca, etc came out Worldwide at the same time? Hopefully it's Worldwide...

 

[Pouakai]

All other DLC released worldwide same time, so I got them the day after release date due to time zones.

There is speculation Korea will have a scenario, being the elusive SCENARIO_05

 

[Dokebi]

All other DLC released worldwide same time, so I got them the day after release date due to time zones.

There is speculation Korea will have a scenario, being the elusive SCENARIO_05

Awesome! Do you have all the DLC scenario? Do they all have time limit? I read some where they did...I hate mission with time limits!