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And about the UU's, I reckon Hwacha should replace the cannon, seeing as it uses gunpowder and is more fitting in terms of historical time frame. With the Turtle Ship, I think it should replace the frigate seeing as caravel is a bit of an exploratory vessel in-game. Turtle Ships were military vessels to the core, which fits frigates pretty fine.
 
Kobukson replacing Trireme is pretty stupid. We are talking a unit from the late 16th century and allowing it in the ancient era? :rolleyes:

Hwacha replacing Catapult is also stupid. The Hwacha was from the late 14th century.
You'd think you'd need to have invented gunpowder to logically use them. :crazyeye:
Replacing the cannon (gunpowder requirement) or trebuchet at the very least would have made more sense.

I am not really sure what the designers were thinking here. No problem with the UU selection. Piss poor implementation however.

Hopefully the UA makes a little more sense.
 
Sighs...

As I said "I'M BETTING THE UU WILL BE A KOBUKSON THAT WILL REPLACE THE TRIREME, AND THE OTHER UU THE HWACHA TO REPLACE THE CATAPULT"

Emphasis on the world betting, it was just meant as some harmless speculation. For all we know the Korean Ski Infantry is the UU.

A Kobukson is more like a Trireme than a Caravel, Thormodr. Who cares about timelines that much in a civ game? Play Age of Empires if you need it to be that historically focused. And while I think the Hwacha could work as a treb. replacement if needs be, I picked catapult in the my guessing because catapult comes sooner and an edge to siege warfare that happens early would be great.
 
:lol:

Yeah it's crazy. People are just guessing about what the new uniques will be and everyone is already complaining.

You gotta laugh at it. People get so upset over such little things sometimes. I come here to participate in conversations and discuss game related stuff. It seems others have this idea that everyone must be convinced to play and enjoy the same exact things they do. Seems like a waste of energy. When has anyone ever been successful at convincing someone to find something fun / not fun just by telling them it is so?
 
ArcaneSeraph said:
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Yeah it's crazy. People are just guessing about what the new uniques will be and everyone is already complaining.

You gotta laugh at it. People get so upset over such little things sometimes. I come here to participate in conversations and discuss game related stuff. It seems others have this idea that everyone must be convinced to play and enjoy the same exact things they do. Seems like a waste of energy. When has anyone ever been successful at convincing someone to find something fun / not fun just by telling them it is so?
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Some fans get really hung up about stuff. They actually talk about "Pure" civilization experiences like it's some kind of fine art instead of a video game. It's a great game, and my personal favorite, but it is still just a game. I like speculating, so I posted a guess or two, and everyone's like "The Devs have screwed up yet again!" People are so trigger-happy to find fault with this game they ream 2K for a guess on a message board by a non-employee. Yeesh.
 
Might as well go whole hog and just make it a fantasy game then. I hear that they are more contemporary. ;)

Anyway, replace the designers with a certain poster in this thread then. Mea culpa. :)
 
KingDynamo said:
And about the UU's, I reckon Hwacha should replace the cannon, seeing as it uses gunpowder and is more fitting in terms of historical time frame. With the Turtle Ship, I think it should replace the frigate seeing as caravel is a bit of an exploratory vessel in-game. Turtle Ships were military vessels to the core, which fits frigates pretty fine.
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A few things,
a) I don't care that these ships replace triremes, as long as the special effects carry on when upgraded, because lets face it, special unit effects are best when given in the form of a promotion, because they carry over when upgraded.
b) From a historical context, Asians invented gunpowder. If the cannons in the original game are the traditional European build, the Koreans would be using something like them when the Franks and Byzantines were still using catapults. I think having the Hwachas represent trebuchets or catapults are fine, but not cannons.
 
Hmmmm. UA seems pretty powerful.The being able to have conflicting SPs is good. Can you say Organised Religion and Freedom?
 
It was part of my speculation, nothing more. Just a guess! I'll never do it again people, I swear!

But what I wrote was:

UA: Industrious Thoughts: Specialists produce science, can adopt conflicting social policies without losing benefits (e.g. Piety and Rationalism)
 
ShahJahanII said:
A few things,
a) I don't care that these ships replace triremes, as long as the special effects carry on when upgraded, because lets face it, special unit effects are best when given in the form of a promotion, because they carry over when upgraded.
b) From a historical context, Asians invented gunpowder. If the cannons in the original game are the traditional European build, the Koreans would be using something like them when the Franks and Byzantines were still using catapults. I think having the Hwachas represent trebuchets or catapults are fine, but not cannons.
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The Chinese invented gunpowder that's true enough. The technology was spread to Europe when East and West were linked by the Mongol Empire. It also spread to Korea late in the 14th century after the collapse of the Yuan Dynasty.

The Koreans didn't acquire the secret to gunpowder until around 1374.
The first hwacha was made in 1409.
Between the years of 1374 to 1376,[2] Korea began its first productions of gunpowder. In 1377, Choe Mu-seon, a Korean scholar, discovered a way to obtain gunpowder by extracting potassium nitrate from the soil and subsequently made Juhwa, Korea's very first rocket.[3] Further developments led to the birth of the family of singijeons.

The hwacha was a brainchild of its predecessors, the Juhwa and the Singijeon. The first hwacha was made in 1409 during the Joseon Dynasty by several Korean scientists, including Yi Do (이도) and Choi Hae-san (최해산).[notes 2]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwacha

Europeans were using gunpowder and cannons (from Chinese technology of course) earlier than Koreans. From the mid 14th century on.

In Europe, the first mention of gunpowder's composition in express terms appeared in Roger Bacon's "De nullitate magiæ"[29] published at Oxford in the first half of the 13th century.[30] In 1248, his "Opus Maior" describes a recipe for gunpowder and recognized its military use:
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The first metal cannon was the pot-de-fer. Loaded with an arrow-like bolt that was probably wrapped in leather to allow greater thrusting power, it was set off through a touch hole with a heated wire. This weapon, and others similar, were used by both the French and English during the Hundred Years' War, when cannon saw their first real use on the European battlefield.[33] While still a relatively rarely used weapon, cannon were employed in increasing numbers during the war. "Ribaldis", which shot large arrows and simplistic grapeshot, were first mentioned in the English Privy Wardrobe accounts during preparations for the Battle of Crécy, between 1345 and 1346.[35] The Florentine Giovanni Villani recounts their destructiveness, indicating that by the end of the battle, "the whole plain was covered by men struck down by arrows and cannon balls."[35] Similar cannon were also used at the Siege of Calais, in the same year, although it was not until the 1380s that the "ribaudekin" clearly became mounted on wheels.[35]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon

Anyway, Hwachas being cannon replacements is perfectly fine. The Koreans got the technology from the Chinese who invented the cannon in the first place. Seems logical enough to me.

Of course, it would be better if they had early cannons and more modern cannons depicted in the game but that's probably asking too much. Then the Hwacha would be a good replacement for an early cannon unit.

The Byzantines were using trebuchets in the 12th century, over 200 years before the Hwacha was invented. A trebuchet replacement wouldn't be out of the question either I suppose. It's not really the same

weapon but it is a least a lot more contemporary than the catapult which was first used in the 5th century BC by the Athenians IIRC.
 
It feels like Hwacha should be in between trebuchet and cannon...but either way, I wouldn't mind which ever it replaces.
 
Dokebi said:
It feels like Hwacha should be in between trebuchet and cannon...but either way, I wouldn't mind which ever it replaces.
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Thormodr has me almost convinced.
To be honest, I really don't care.
I'm not some one who complains senselessly over things like "This UU sucks" or "This UA is overpowered"
I am just looking to play Korea on Civilization V, I think everyone would like that :goodjob:
 
ShahJahanII said:
Thormodr has me almost convinced.
To be honest, I really don't care.
I'm not some one who complains senselessly over things like "This UU sucks" or "This UA is overpowered"
I am just looking to play Korea on Civilization V, I think everyone would like that :goodjob:
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Yea, I don't really care about the balancing of the game, just the enjoyment.. I just wish I had Polynesia, Babylon and the Vikings, I already have Spain and Inca from a friend :)....

Now I just have to find a way to get some money or beg someone to gift the other ones too xD.
 
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