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[stealth_nsk]

It would be so much more difficult to keep track of the happy-status since the cities again would need to be treated individually.

You'll not need to track individual city happy status. It's just a matter of decision which building to use for happiness. If you have, for example, circus increasing happiness by 3, it doesn't matter where to build it. If you have building which halves unhappiness for the city, it's the same, but bonus depends on the city where it's built.

I think it would add more deep to decisions. I.e. you have 10-level production city (which grows slowly, but builds fast) and 20-level commerce city. For simple happiness buildings there's no choice - you build them in production city. But for unhappiness reduce you'll need to choose between faster build and larger effect.

 

[AriochIV]

Wine is a drug.

 

[Windsor]

You'll not need to track individual city happy status. It's just a matter of decision which building to use for happiness. If you have, for example, circus increasing happiness by 3, it doesn't matter where to build it. If you have building which halves unhappiness for the city, it's the same, but bonus depends on the city where it's built.

I think it would add more deep to decisions. I.e. you have 10-level production city (which grows slowly, but builds fast) and 20-level commerce city. For simple happiness buildings there's no choice - you build them in production city. But for unhappiness reduce you'll need to choose between faster build and larger effect.

Say you have 20 cities and your happy-cap is +5. Normally each pop is -1 happy. Without city-specific building you just have to figure out which cities those new 5 citizens should go into (isn't this by itself kind of micro intensive???). However if growth in different cities also affects the happy-cap differently then you need to remember/check each individual city to see how growth in that particular city is going to affect global happiness.

"hmm is 2 new citizens in that city with 50% multiplier worth more than 1 new citizen in that city with 70% multiplier? City A needs 3 turns to grow, city B needs 4 turns to grow. City A will then grow again in 14 turns. *calculate*"

When I think about it this way global happiness actually seems like micro hell to me. Adding a bunch of buildings that affect how the city contributes to unhappiness makes it even worse. Yes, depth is added, but at what cost?

 

[Windsor]

Ok, I realize I might have gotten happiness all wrong. Is it the happy cap

a) A sort of "per city cap", just that the cap is the same for all cities. So if you have 15 as a cap, each city has 15 to use. If above, that city becomes unhappy, or

b) A global cap. So you might have 40 which you can distribute across the empire. If unhappy the whole empire is unhappy.

 

[stealth_nsk]

b) A global cap. So you might have 40 which you can distribute across the empire. If unhappy the whole empire is unhappy.

Clearly this.

 

[stealth_nsk]

When I think about it this way global happiness actually seems like micro hell to me. Adding a bunch of buildings that affect how the city contributes to unhappiness makes it even worse. Yes, depth is added, but at what cost?

I don't see it this way. With global happiness you have 1 number - turns before your civ go unhappy. Yes, to calculate this number precisely you need to look at a lot of things, but usually you don't have to - "I'm 5 points before unhappiness and some cities are growing fast, I should consider building something".

Compare this to the old system, there you need to do these calculations per city - even without precise calculations you needed to check all cities' state periodically (with Civ4 it's for both happiness and health). Much more micro for me.

 

[Calouste]

Say you have 20 cities and your happy-cap is +5. Normally each pop is -1 happy. Without city-specific building you just have to figure out which cities those new 5 citizens should go into (isn't this by itself kind of micro intensive???). However if growth in different cities also affects the happy-cap differently then you need to remember/check each individual city to see how growth in that particular city is going to affect global happiness.

"hmm is 2 new citizens in that city with 50% multiplier worth more than 1 new citizen in that city with 70% multiplier? City A needs 3 turns to grow, city B needs 4 turns to grow. City A will then grow again in 14 turns. *calculate*"

When I think about it this way global happiness actually seems like micro hell to me. Adding a bunch of buildings that affect how the city contributes to unhappiness makes it even worse. Yes, depth is added, but at what cost?

Note that excess happiness accumulates points towards a Golden Age, so it is not wasted and it makes sense in the game to make sure you are always comfortably in the happy zone rather than micromanaging to try to stay just in front of the unhappiness boundary.

 

[Disgustipated]

I was looking at the Civ5 website, and think I may have discovered something new.

If you click on the preorder button you get taken to Take2's purchaising website and next to the game cover you have a list of all the warnings about Civ5's content. These are mild language, mild violence and drug references. Comparing with the same warning on Civ4, only violence appears there.

Does this means that illegal drugs exist in Civ5? Possibly as a resource?

maybe that's just a generic content (on the conservative side) since the game isn't released yet.

I doubt there will be any mild language. Are we going to get Monty saying the F word? Unlikely.

drugs could be wine or tobacco. But I doubt tobacco will be in the game. I'm sure the content will be further revised after release.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Note that excess happiness accumulates points towards a Golden Age, so it is not wasted and it makes sense in the game to make sure you are always comfortably in the happy zone rather than micromanaging to try to stay just in front of the unhappiness boundary.

Good point, I forgot about Golden Ages.

 

[Gedemo]

Maybe it is "Opium" as a ressources like in Civ:Call to powerII
On Arioch Analyst Site, he ask what could be the strange flower growing on jungle hexe...maybe it's poppy? poppy-> opium

 

[craig123]

I was looking at the Civ5 website, and think I may have discovered something new.

If you click on the preorder button you get taken to Take2's purchaising website and next to the game cover you have a list of all the warnings about Civ5's content. These are mild language, mild violence and drug references. Comparing with the same warning on Civ4, only violence appears there.

Does this means that illegal drugs exist in Civ5? Possibly as a resource?

According to the 2K forums, it's a reference to the opium trade in the civilopedia:
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=937456&postcount=14

This is a strategy game in which players manage a nation from a single settlement to a prominent civilization. Players can develop their nation's culture and technology, manage its economic and social infrastructure (e.g., diplomacy, trade), and expand territory through military conquests. Combat with nations is presented from an overhead perspective, and military units are represented by small armies of soldiers on a gridded map. Battles include brief animations of sword fighting, gun fights, and vehicular combat, resulting in icons exploding, collapsing, or disappearing. Nuclear weapons can be developed and detonated over opposing nation's territories. Historically based text includes descriptions of violence (e.g., assassinations, murders, suicides) and a reference to the opium drug trade (e.g., "where they could engage in extremely profitable business including the infamous opium trade.").

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Does this means that illegal drugs exist in Civ5? Possibly as a resource?

Tobacco.

 

[Bluetooth]

A Library, for example, allows one or two citizens to be assigned to work in the building as Scientist specialists.

That sounds much like Colonization and I wouldn't mind if it was. We've seen the same in games from Paradox.

Perhaps even trade can be more like it is in Colonization i.e. more important and interesting. Obviously workers can improve trading posts. I don't know what that means but hopefully we can see more of trade in Civ 5. I wouldn't mind something like The Europe screen in Colonization. Transporting goods on ships would make trade routes more vulnerable and open for more sea battles.

 

[Rexflex]

Tobacco.

Or even wine, which existed already in Civ IV - providing a happiness bonus, no less.

 

[Sir Og]

You can't go wrong with more drugs

 

[Rexflex]

Yes, but the point is that there was no drug 'warning' for Civ4. So either the regulators are getting stricter about those things, Take2 is taking less chances, or there is more representation for drugs in Civ5 than there was in Civ4.

Given the recent furor in Australia about a particular violent game facing bans not because of the violent depictions, but because it also depicted the injection of morphine to represent field medicine treatment, I imagine game producers have become a little more aware of drug references than before.

 

[Schuesseled]

australian regulations are bat s*** Crazy

 

[King Jason]

A modern example like Disneyland doesn't work very well in ancient eras when communication and travel were virtually nonexistent. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, tourism did not exist; the vast majority of people lived and died within a few miles of where they were born. A collosseum in ancient times was a structure for local entertainment.

For the average pleb, perhaps. But The roman collosseum and Globe theatre certainly attracted tourism. Granted The scale of those examples is that of world wonders, the concept is still there, and, imo, relevant enough to not complain about it as something entirely nonsensical. Cause it does make sense.

The scale of the average collosseums values has just been increased in such a way that it might merit travel to that location, for whatever reason.

It's part of the simple concept of self-extrapolating why something might work the way it does by using your imagination. How, in any way shape or form, could a collisseum in Athens affect the happiness of the entire greek state, such that those in Argos are satisfied by it, in a general sense. Simple; From time to time the olympics are held there. News from the olympics is spread far and wide... and while a single citizen of Argos may never set foot in Athens in their lives, the topical discussion of the sporting event that is the olympics would be of interest, and would invoke entertainment amongst a portion of it's populous.

and there you have it.

 

[Tylerryan79]

Anyone mind posting a transcript of the gold write up? Thanks!

 

[AriochIV]

2K_Greg already posted one here.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=373800