[GS] New Pathenons

[local_hero]

I like the River Goddess pantheon. I picked it when I played the Inca and I also picked the religious beliefs that gives housing from shrines and temples, plus the pagoda. My HS were like early neighbourhoods to keep growing. And the amenities gave me the growth bonus and bonus to other yields. Really fancy it!

 

[Abaxial]

I find it hard to pass up a free settler for quick expansion. But +4 faith for each wonder is very tempting!

 

[Isengardtom]

I’m a fan of the festival pantheon . I always seem to have enough plantations to make it valuable

 

[Troy Bruckner]

Started a game today and with Mali I founded my capital next to the Sahara natural wonder (had to move 4 turns to get there, but well worth it) and got Earth Goddess. It's pretty insane.

 

[MarigoldRan]

Quick settler almost always. Otherwise Divine Spark, but I play a lot of Korea.

 

[pkaem]

If you catch a good start you can have 4 settlers out around t30 - 35 with rs. Very hard to beat this power up until there are vast numbers of plantations or stables. Even then it's hard to neglect. I get forward settle dow's like crazy atm becsuse of the capability to expand so fast.

 

[Kruos]

Religious Settlement is so OP versus the others choices, it's a no brainer. I do not like this. The rest of the pantheon balance changes look good, because they offer more interesting choices compared to before. But not RS, it is the contrary : you have no interest to take another pantheon because the added value to have a free settler is better so much superior to the reste. This kind of change narrow the field of choices. I say it's bad design and should be patched.

 

[Ziad]

Religious Settlement is so OP versus the others choices, it's a no brainer. I do not like this. The rest of the pantheon balance changes look good, because they offer more interesting choices compared to before. But not RS, it is the contrary : you have no interest to take another pantheon because the added value to have a free settler is better so much superior to the reste. This kind of change narrow the field of choices. I say it's bad design and should be patched.

Only if you can get it super early when Settler production is relatively expensive. Otherwise I disagree... the value of other pantheons can be far more relevant.

 

[Medopu]

I'm quite frustrated that nobody in this thread pronounces it as parthenon.

 

[Minou]

Religious Settlements is clearly the best in almost all non-Religious Victory games. Everything you get from that city needs to be counted - it will start generating 2-4 hammers, 0.3 culture and 0.5 science immediately and more as it grows. Besides this, the value of an early Settler is greater than a later one because you may be in a race with opponents to Settler a good spot (near a Natural Wonder, multiple mountains for adjacency, Horses/Iron, etc.). Plus, the border expansion is meaningful too - it will gain you a 1-2 more tiles in most of your cities which will either provide access to valuable tiles sooner or save you gold if you were going to buy them. Religious Settlements is even better now that we know the AI pretty much never takes it, since you can time things out to lesson the impact of cost escalation of Settlers - for example if you are fives turn away from building a Settler and three turns away from a Pantheon, you can intentionally delay the Pantheon to complete the Settler first so cost won't go up until afterwards.

I don't think any of the other Pantheons come close with the exception of Earth Goddess and Festivals on specific maps.

 

[Medopu]

Out of 4 games i played since the patch religious settlement parthenon was only availabe once, so i'd say that AI likes to take it quite often. Or maybe i just had a very bad luck.

 

[Minou]

Interesting. What turn are you getting a Pantheon? I have not yet played a game where it was not available.

 

[Medopu]

Interesting. What turn are you getting a Pantheon? I have not yet played a game where it was not available.

i don't know, i'd say i'm about average (emperor difficulty). I do plug in god king for +1 faith and keep it till i get a panthenon, but i usually have trouble getting early envoys from religious CS's.

 

[knighterrant81]

Religious Settlements, every time. It isn't as powerful as Goddess of the Harvest, but it is still the same problem - way better than everything else. The early game is the most important phase of the game. You need to claim good land quickly, and that means Settlers. Getting a free Settler early means not only can you start gaining the benefits of a second city early (another place to build a Monument, doubles the benefit from Urban Planning, another place to queue up units), you can wall off the AI from large portions of the map. Yeah, its probably not as good as an adjacency Pantheon for Religious Victory games, and you lose most of the benefits late game. It is sort of like chop - so much better in the short term that (unless you plan on having a 350+ turn game) it is the best choice by far. It also frees up your production queue in your capital - although you can choose to just build another Settler to go along with your free one.

Remember, how does this game ramp up the difficulty? By giving the AI extra Warriors, yields, and.....Settlers. Part of the reason the ramp up in difficulty between King and Emperor is so large is because that is when the AI first gets an additional Settler. Taking Religious Settlements is sort of like moving your difficulty setting down by 1.

i don't know, i'd say i'm about average (emperor difficulty). I do plug in god king for +1 faith and keep it till i get a panthenon, but i usually have trouble getting early envoys from religious CS's.

Do you use Scouts? I pretty much do the same thing now, but I haven't had too much trouble with the AI taking Religious Settlements before I do.

 

[Sostratus]

I like the River Goddess pantheon.

It's a beautiful combo with the Khmer's Monasteries of the King.
I have quite the map going with them at the moment. Ho boy!
Seven seas, amazing start location, great city states.
Here's the starting area:

Spoiler :

Geothermal fissures don't go away when you settle anymore, so that's an automatic Aqueduct amenity and +2 for a campus. Plus the city tile gets and extra science!

Seven seas, Small map, all standard settings. You can put in whatever difficulty you want, it won't change things.

I did post a pair of images of what i made of the place here for those who like IZ adjacency and general aqueduct madness.

 

[local_hero]

It's a beautiful combo with the Khmer's Monasteries of the King.
I have quite the map going with them at the moment. Ho boy!
Seven seas, amazing start location, great city states.
Here's the starting area:

Spoiler :

Geothermal fissures don't go away when you settle anymore, so that's an automatic Aqueduct amenity and +2 for a campus. Plus the city tile gets and extra science!
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Seven seas, Small map, all standard settings. You can put in whatever difficulty you want, it won't change things.
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I did post a pair of images of what i made of the place here for those who like IZ adjacency and general aqueduct madness.

Do you keep the extra hammer aswell when settling geothermal fissures?

 

[Sostratus]

Do you keep the extra hammer aswell when settling geothermal fissures?

Yes, my capital had 2/2/1 on the tile. I think the extra hammer was from being on a hill, though.
It's quite the start - new river goddess really takes it up to 11. +2 food, +2 amenity and +3 housing for khmer river holy sites. I really think it'll be one of my go-to pantheons for a lot of religious civs who spam holy sites.

I really want to use Fire Goddess but volcanic soil is too rare to justify only +2 faith, stone circles in an area with a quarried lux and some stone usually beats it.

 

[UWHabs]

Yes, my capital had 2/2/1 on the tile. I think the extra hammer was from being on a hill, though.
It's quite the start - new river goddess really takes it up to 11. +2 food, +2 amenity and +3 housing for khmer river holy sites. I really think it'll be one of my go-to pantheons for a lot of religious civs who spam holy sites.

I really want to use Fire Goddess but volcanic soil is too rare to justify only +2 faith, stone circles in an area with a quarried lux and some stone usually beats it.

I mean, with river goddess, it turns a holy site on a river into something basically better than an entertainment complex. So if you can even get any adjacency or faith out of it, all the better.

 

[steveg700]

Nice, but still....Need a pantheon that buffs lakes way more than one that buffs rivers. Maybe just a more generic "Water Goddess".

 

[SammyKhalifa]

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I really want to use Fire Goddess but volcanic soil is too rare to justify only +2 faith, stone circles in an area with a quarried lux and some stone usually beats it.

I took fire goddess in my current game with <<that Iceland volcano wonder>>. It is ok but after getting to the other continent I discovered an uncaptured rapa nui so am going to try to pivot Rome to a culture victory halfway through.