New PTW Unique Units

[Jeff Yu]

Ok, so now that we know what the new PTW civs will be, anyone want to guess what the new UUs will be? So far, we know the following:

Celts: Gallic Swordsman
Spaniards: Conquistador
Vikings: Berserker
Koreans: Hwacha
Mongols: Mongol horseman (I forget the name)

Here are my guesses for the remaining Civs:

Arabs: Some kind of camel unit, or a mounted raider?
Ottomans: Not sure, I'm not really familiar with Turkish history
Carthiginians: Hannibal's war elephants

I'm a bit dissappointed that neither the Incans or Mayans made the final cut. I was hoping for some more American civs. At least we got another African civ. Whenever I play Marla's world map (my favorite map for playing Civ), Europe and the Middle East is jampacked while Africa has vast amounts of empty land and South America and Australia are completely empty.

 

[Pembroke]

How about Suicide Bomber for an Arab UU? (*ducks into cover*)

Seriously, a fast moving light mounted knight would be appropriate for a saracen conquest. Saracen Knight?

Indians already have elephants, and Carthage was above all a naval power. Some kind of fast and powerful war galley? Carthaginian Quinquereme? Ought to have the privateer attribute, too, as most of them were pirates whenever an oppurtunity sailed by. Too bad navies are not as useful in Civ3 as they ought to be by right...

For Ottomans the UU can't be anything else than the Janissaries (Yeniceri) i.e. the famous slave soldiers that formed the backbone of the Ottoman standing army, originally captured/conscripted Christian youths raised and trained exclusively for the military.

 

[Lab Monkey]

The Carthaginians could have an elephant unit with a higher attack or movement value, there was enough elephants at the time to go around. The Arabs can have my Arab horseman unit!

An ancient sea UU would be good - as long as the bonus was movement or transport based. As the AI stands we don't want another man-o-war.

If the Janissaries are the ottoman UU, then it would just clog up the current swordsman/ medieval infantry thing. All the swordsman bonuses have been taken - Legionary/defense Immortal/attack Celt Swordsman/attack+movement. We don't need another carbon copy UU.

One missing UU is a medieval defender with a defence value of 4, a pikeman alternative.

 

[Exsanguination]

did I see right that the Gallic Swordsman was 4/2/2? AND it comes before Horseback Riding - probably Iron Working like all the others. My god, that unit will be WAY too powerful. It better cost like 60 shields or something, cause that's insane.

 

[Chris85]

I'd say Lab Monkey's Arab Horseman would make a good UU for the Arabs. Carthage having an Ancient Naval Unit would be nice.

If the Gallic Swordsman's stats are 4/2/2 that would give it the Attack power of a Persian Immortal but the speed of a Horseman. If this is true, I think I just found my new favorite civ.

The Mongol Horseman is called the Keshik.

 

[Lab Monkey]

I've a feeling that the celtic swordsman may, possibly, be a Knight UU - with the bonus of not needing horses.

Otherwise it's existance renders the medieval infantry useless seing as the screenshots have them both co-existing, with the med inf having inferior stats...

Edit

Nope, that's wrong - a knight has a defense of 3.

My other guess is that those screenshots are rigged, and the gaul is a med inf UU.

 

[robehans]

Ottomans: spinning dervisses...
You know? the ppl that go into trance and then roll... and roll... and roll... and roll... and roll... and roll... and roll... and roll... and roll... sorry, the LP stuck... oh well, and then knock every other units off theyre feet and kill em by rolling on em...
That will be the turkish unit...

 

[Lab Monkey]

Hey, Mike B! I can see you're here, so put me out of my misery! What unit does the gallic swordsman replace?

 

[The Templar]

Pembroke, I ought to smack you ...

Ottomans will probably have a Janisary (sp?) unit. Sort of an elite musketman (or rifleman) unit. Arabs should get a modified knight (Saracen was it?). Back in the day, the Arabs were known for raising the best horses. (Camels? Really guys, that's just too much.) And yeah, the celts should probably get a swordsman covered in body paint that strikes fear into the hearts of Roman Legionaries.

 

[sabo]

anyone know what the A/D/M stats of the berserker will be?

 

[benn]

Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Hey, Mike B! I can see you're here, so put me out of my misery! What unit does the gallic swordsman replace?

I think where the Gallic swordsman ends up on the tech tree will be key. It's the first 4-2-2 unit.

 

[KaNick]

If i remember correctly the tech tree has been edited in ptw so that could have a effect on the celt's uu. But the again with all the new units some of the old units' ADMs could be rebuffed. Maybe the knight could be 4 2 2 now. The only other thing I can think of is the uu replacing Med Inf.

 

[KaNick]

Oh btw the new Med inf looks sweet. I guess they bring new meaning to the old ball and chain (forced laugh)

 

[pills]

Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Hey, Mike B! I can see you're here, so put me out of my misery! What unit does the gallic swordsman replace?

Looks like it will be a faster Medieval Infantry, which is 4/2/1.

 

[Jeff Yu]

did I see right that the Gallic Swordsman was 4/2/2? AND it comes before Horseback Riding - probably Iron Working like all the others. My god, that unit will be WAY too powerful. It better cost like 60 shields or something, cause that's insane.

Don't worry, it's probably an upgrade of the Medieval infantry. That's a 4/2/1 unit, so this one just gets an extra point in movement. That's all. It's in the same age as Knights, which are already better, except that this unit can make a golden age. So don't worry.

 

[konigstiger]

Originally posted by Jeff Yu
Ok, so now that we know what the new PTW civs will be, anyone want to guess what the new UUs will be? So far, we know the following:

Celts: Gallic Swordsman
Spaniards: Conquistador
Vikings: Berserker
Koreans: Hwacha
Mongols: Mongol horseman (I forget the name)

Here are my guesses for the remaining Civs:

Arabs: Some kind of camel unit, or a mounted raider?
Ottomans: Not sure, I'm not really familiar with Turkish history
Carthiginians: Hannibal's war elephants

I'm a bit dissappointed that neither the Incans or Mayans made the final cut. I was hoping for some more American civs. At least we got another African civ. Whenever I play Marla's world map (my favorite map for playing Civ), Europe and the Middle East is jampacked while Africa has vast amounts of empty land and South America and Australia are completely empty.

I agree , there are enough europeans already in the game (romans,germans,french,britons,russians,ottomans,greeks,plus celts), that's 8 to 3 ratio.

 

[Jeff Yu]

If the Gallic Swordsman's stats are 4/2/2 that would give it the Attack power of a Persian Immortal but the speed of a Horseman. If this is true, I think I just found my new favorite civ.

Why? All this still leaves you with only a weaker Knight that can't retreat.

 

[Jeff Yu]

How about Suicide Bomber for an Arab UU?

Actually, until September 11th, I never thought of Arabs that way. When I thought of Arabia, I usually thought of Arabian Nights, Aladdin, magic carpets, camels, and fast horses.

Anyway, about the Arab UU. I definitely think it should be some kind of horse unit. I've seen too many movies with Arab horsemen. Lawrence of Arabia or The Mummy (2), anyone? Has anyone seen the preview for the new movie, The Four Feathers? In it, there was a scene where Arab horsemen charge a square formation of British redcoat musketmen from four sides. Anyone know what kind of units those Arab horsemen were?

 

[Jeff Yu]

I agree , there are enough europeans already in the game (romans,germans,french,britons,russians,ottomans,greeks,plus celts

Actually, you forgot about the Vikings and the Spaniards. That makes for TEN European Civilizations. Europe is going to be even more jam-packed.

 

[JohnGalt]

Originally posted by Jeff Yu
...there was a scene where Arab horsemen charge a square formation of British redcoat musketmen from four sides. Anyone know what kind of units those Arab horsemen were?

The dead kind.