New Screenies @ GamingHorizon

[BobCW]

Well they are labeled as to what they are supposed to be. I think the Taoist's (the blue guy) hat need some tassles and the color seems wrong.

I thought Shinto was the Japanese school of Buddhism.

Ah, okay. I didn't enlarge the images, so I didn't notice the labels.


I'm pretty sure that Shintoism (sp?) is a seperate religion from Buddhism. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

 

[Vietcong]

y are the citys mideval looking when in the modren era *even tho ther arnt eras, but if ui have tanks, modren infanty, fighters bombers ect ect ect i want my cittys looking as if thay fir with the units!

 

[Vietcong]

Surely you people must know that Buddhism is an Indian religion, not a Chinese one...

I wonder how they're going to differentiate Jewish, Christian, and Muslim missionaries, since all those religions were founded by Semites.

jews get the lil curly side berns with the black hats, crhistans look like ppl from vatican, and muslims are in arabian dress...


and the citys look gay!!!

 

[doronron]

Glad the game is turn based, or I'd probably lose my first couple of matches because I spent to much time zooming and panning around my cities...

 

[kitsquad]

Glad the game is turn based, or I'd probably lose my first couple of matches because I spent to much time zooming and panning around my cities...

good reason in favor of a turn based system

 

[PriestOfDiscord]

Nice to finally see some more industrial age units and railroad pictures. I hope the Buddhists have one of the nicer religion bonuses because I'm going to be using them as my main religion knowing they get the cool hats for their missionaries.

 

[vStauffenberg]

see what wikipedia says on books:
"When writing systems were invented in ancient civilizations, clay tablets or parchment scrolls were used, as, for example, in the library of Alexandria. Scrolls were later phased out in favor of the codex, a bound book with pages and a spine, the form of most books today. (...) Some have said that Julius Caesar invented the first codex during the Gallic Wars. He would issue scrolls folded up accordion style and use the "pages" as reference points."

...so how come the "missionaries" are all holding books? from 4000 B.C. to the Birth of Christ, they should be holding clay tablets or parchment scrolls, if at all: the written word doesn't play the same central role in all religions like in the semite-monotheistic religions (islam, judaism, christianity).

also: the term "missionary" and the concept of missions and evangelizing in general is a originally a christian and jewish concept.
naming priests from all religions "missionaries" and letting them carry out "missions" is pure euro-centrism / western-culture centrism

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

@PriestofDiscord. Ummm, there are no religion bonuses or, to be more specific, all bonuses enjoyed by a religion are enjoyed by ALL religions. As I have stated previously, given that religion is a new game concept, I am prefectly happy with them leaving religions generic. In future expansions, though, I am really hoping that we will see more religions and the ability to acquire and assign traits to any religions you found. Fingers crossed.

As for the screenies themselves, I get a really strong feeling that these are much older screenies simply put up to show certain elements of religion (the focus of the article). I have little to base it on, except that they seem so much more 'amateur' than those we have seen recently. Could be wrong though!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[ForbiddenPalace]

The rifle soldiers really remind me of EE.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Oh, BobCW, the religion you are thinking of is Zen Bhuddism-its the Japanese variant of Bhuddism. Shinto is an ancient Animist faith from Japan. Hope this helps to clear things up.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[josephstalin]

Those were pretty cool pictures. Missionaries and the game itself looks just beautiful!

 

[777]

Looking nice, very nice! First time Civ has really come more forward from previous civ. Tho now it's darn difficult to imaginate squares, I guess it's just grids on!

 

[Snoopy]

also: the term "missionary" and the concept of missions and evangelizing in general is a originally a christian and jewish concept.
naming priests from all religions "missionaries" and letting them carry out "missions" is pure euro-centrism / western-culture centrism

good point made

Stones will be thrown at Firaxis for overlooking that one.

 

[Lobox]

I hope they fix the sizes on the trees versus buildings versus units because it doesnt look so nice now.

 

[MishGolden]

see what wikipedia says on books:
"When writing systems were invented in ancient civilizations, clay tablets or parchment scrolls were used, as, for example, in the library of Alexandria. Scrolls were later phased out in favor of the codex, a bound book with pages and a spine, the form of most books today. (...) Some have said that Julius Caesar invented the first codex during the Gallic Wars. He would issue scrolls folded up accordion style and use the "pages" as reference points."

The codex (bound book) was inventented in the 5th century CE (AD for you Christians) for the Byzantine emperor Justinian. He had directed legal scholars to compile an authoritative collection and systematization of Roman law. But one doesn't want to read though the law -- usually one wants to look up a specific provision. With a scroll, that was hard, because of rolling / unrolling. It's much easier when one can turn to a specific page. So the bound book was very convenient for a compendium of law. This is how the word codex came to be identified with law (codes of law, legal codification).

So this means that the bound book was invented after Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity. (I am not sure of the dates origination of Confucianism, Buddhism, and Taoism). Islam came after (though not long after, and I don't know whether early Qu'rans were in codex form).

But all that is ok for Civ, because here we can invent these things in a different order -- and that's part of the beauty of it, isn't it?

 

[Jaybe]

Not only can we develop bound books earlier, but we might be able to discover religions LATER!

 

[Novaya Havoc]

also: the term "missionary" and the concept of missions and evangelizing in general is a originally a christian and jewish concept.
naming priests from all religions "missionaries" and letting them carry out "missions" is pure euro-centrism / western-culture centrism

Um, the concept is not western. Southeast (and South) Asia, North Africa, China/Japan, Indonesia, East Africa -- all had religions like Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism spread throughout. I'll agree that the label "missionary" connotes Christianity, but really -- that's neither here or there. In the PRESENT day, Christians are generally regarded as the only group with "evangelists," (and this bias on your part is showing clearly) but historically, (most of) these religions were being spread.

The Angkor Wat is a prime example. So stop your finger-pointing at the West. I'm so sick of cultural relativists screaming at the Civ series every chance they get. The series is coming a long way.

 

[vStauffenberg]

But all that is ok for Civ, because here we can invent these things in a different order -- and that's part of the beauty of it, isn't it?

agreed, good point!
however, when i play civ4 for the first time, my eagle eye will pay close attention as to wheter any of my priests dares to hold a book before i have invented it

 

[alexchunha]

Um, the concept is not western. Southeast (and South) Asia, North Africa, China/Japan, Indonesia, East Africa -- all had religions like Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism spread throughout. I'll agree that the label "missionary" connotes Christianity, but really -- that's neither here or there. In the PRESENT day, Christians are generally regarded as the only group with "evangelists," (and this bias on your part is showing clearly) but historically, (most of) these religions were being spread.

True. The term "missionary" may be associated with Christianity and western religions, but the purpose of the unit in Civ is to spread your ideas, which is something common to any religion, even if they didn't officially prosyletize.

 

[Dearmad]

Oh AGH! The UGLY railroad tracks everywhere are BACK!.... blech!