New Unit: Asian Swordsman (March 3, 2006)

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Vietnam (Annam Kingdom)

Other South-Eastern Asian Kingdoms lacked the elaborate armor and were mostly used to light-equiped jungle warfare.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

I think its just because Annam was a Chinese colony. Look at the Burmese and Khmer, but that site isnt always 100% correct, the Mongol armies on DBA look Russian

 

[7ronin]

In this thread we've had this unit referred to as being appropriate for Korea, Japan, China and also 'South Asia'. Can anyone lay out a more definitive post about where this guy would most suitably be placed please? I'd also be grateful for any pointers on what kind of swordsmen those pirates in the Malacca Straights would have looked like. Thanks in advance

I think the unit is most appropriate for Japan circa 200 A.D.

As for Malaccan Pirates (they are still around by the way), they dressed very simply: bare feet, bare armed, white calf length balooned trousers, sleeveless open white jacket, tattoos, and a colorful sash and turban. And don't forget a very wicked curved sword or daggar. Sorry I don't have a picture.

 

[Vuldacon]

Looks Great! Excellent Detail and natural movements. Especially impressed with the Attack and Run movements... Nice Work indeed utahjazz7

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

I think its just because Annam was a Chinese colony. Look at the Burmese and Khmer, but that site isnt always 100% correct, the Mongol armies on DBA look Russian

more likely the Russians were influenced by the Mongols... but yeah, the Chinese went down to Vietnam... I can try to find some osprey scans of ancient Asian armies if there is any interest (?)

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

In the meantime... Thai Swordsmen would be the most fitting south-east Asia counterpart imo, the Burmese and Khmer are not really comparable to any armored units of that time, as the developed such only centuries later:

 

[LouLong]

more likely the Russians were influenced by the Mongols... but yeah, the Chinese went down to Vietnam... I can try to find some osprey scans of ancient Asian armies if there is any interest (?)

I agree 100%.

The Keshik in Civ3 refers to the early Nomadic Mongol. During their great empire, the Mongol troops definitely wore armors, helmets and such. And indeed if they look Russian to you it is because the Russians heavily copied them (after all they were largely vassal to the Mongols).

 

[ShiroKobbure]

These do not look Mongolian, even if mongols had some army like this, I can think of 20 better armour the Mongols should wear.

If you show these things to Mongolian, they wont know what is. These are Mongolian

DBA has some things I disagree with. Like having the Nubians being Englishmen.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

Winter, "swordsman" in civ3 means ancient swordsman, and the pictures are of Thailand in medieval periods, wearing armor that Burma, and maybe the Cambodia, if it hadn’t fallen. I think the armor would be best for a SE Asian medieval infantry.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Winter, "swordsman" in civ3 means ancient swordsman, and the pictures are of Thailand in medieval periods, wearing armor that Burma, and maybe the Cambodia, if it hadn’t fallen. I think the armor would be best for a SE Asian medieval infantry.

Thank you for underlining that. That's what I addressed when I wrote that "the Burmese and Khmer are not really comparable to any armored units of that time, as the developed such only centuries later". The Thai didn't rise to power until the late medieval period.

The illustrations are, of course not accurate as to many details.

 

[Steph]

but yeah, the Chinese went down to Vietnam... I can try to find some osprey scans of ancient Asian armies if there is any interest (?)

If only we could find someone one this forum with 5 DVD roms full of osprey books ...
And we can have him send it to unit animators who would like to use this source to produce many units...

Hey, unit animators, what do you wait? Ask me for the pictures

 

[Blue Monkey]

My earlier comment about this unit "working" for south asia was mistaken as an endorsement of historically accuracy. I only meant that it would look more appropriate than the eurocentric units that come with the game. As to historical accuracy, almost all the contemporary Indian art I have seen (temple bas-reliefs, etc.) shows a bunch of guys running around in dhotis and no armour, from avatars down to levies, hardly realistic for how a war would really be waged.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

steph!!!!!
send me photos!!!

I want: Ancient-Medievil Chinese, And pre-1900s SE Asian, Ancient-Medievil Korean, Meso and South American warriors, and maybe a few requested units you have. I just want the colored drawings, not the articles.

 

[Blue Monkey]

Hey, unit animators, what do you wait? Ask me for the pictures

To second Shirou's request, I would also like to see anything for SE Asia and South Asia (Bactria thru Sri Lanka).

 

[ShiroKobbure]

I ment SE asia like siam, khmer, mon/burma, but Indian units would be fine too

 

[Roman Legion]

Swwwwweeeeeeeettttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

If only we could find someone one this forum with 5 DVD roms full of osprey books ...
And we can have him send it to unit animators who would like to use this source to produce many units...

Hey, unit animators, what do you wait? Ask me for the pictures

5 DVD roms full of osprey books ???????? I feel kinda humbled

Honestly- some info on the South-East Asian ancient to middle-age (i.e what Shiro said, Thai/Khmer/Burmese) pics would be highly welcomed perhaps one great 3d creator will one day make a nice unit out of some of them. I think Firaxis doesn't do right by continously ignoring Civ's such as South-East Asia and the Indonesian/Malayan one.

 

[la_dav]

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood unit.

 

[Koelle]

more likely the Russians were influenced by the Mongols... but yeah, the Chinese went down to Vietnam... I can try to find some osprey scans of ancient Asian armies if there is any interest (?)

Sorry, did you mean "the Chinese went down to Vietnam and got kicked everytime they went there". Indeed, they stole some stuff from the Vietnamese like Crossbow to make their Cho-Ko-Nu. Anyway, if you dont mind, would i get some pics from ancient SE Asia armies (incl. Vietnamese, they have done much more in history than these other three put together and are also much more different from the Chinese)

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Sorry, did you mean "the Chinese went down to Vietnam and got kicked everytime they went there". Indeed, they stole some stuff from the Vietnamese like Crossbow to make their Cho-Ko-Nu. Anyway, if you dont mind, would i get some pics from ancient SE Asia armies (incl. Vietnamese, they have done much more in history than these other three put together and are also much more different from the Chinese)

No, neither did I mean that nor did I even write that. Please refrain from tampering with the meaning of my words.

1. According to the Guinness World Records the earliest reliable record of crossbow usage is in the Battle of Ma-Ling, Lingyi, China at 341 BC. By the 200s BC, the crossbow (n&#468 was well developed and quite widely used in China.

This means nothing less that China was using the Crossbow well before the Chinese even got to Vietnam (the end of the 3rd century BC) and Annam would entirely fall under Chinese rule in 111 BC.

2. In other news, Chinese rule over Vietnam lasted until the 10th century Anno Domini... from the invasion to the end that makes it 1300 years... those Vietnamese must have really been bashing the Chinese senseless- must have been so bad they forgot to be home by tea time... don't get me wrong, but...