New Unit: Canadian Mountie

[unscratchedfoot]

Originally posted by Ralendil
Alpine Trooper I think you are all right !!!!!!


I don't think Canada is communist ! That's a joke... I had visited Canada and I can say there are far away behind us (france) for social help. Even if in France the social part has to fall down with Europe.

The point of our talk was that Canada is fast becoming a left-wing socialist state like France already is. The reason we compared it to communism is cause of the many petty by-laws the government imposes on us to try and drain our wallets and morale. It totally goes against individual freedom. Freedom should only be obstructed when one is doing a crime, but j-walking an empty street is hardly doing anyone any harm.

I would never deny that France has a left-wing state. Its strong ties with China are enough evidence as well as the socialist government.

Originally posted by Ralendil

For thisismysn20 i suggest you to read also the atrocities done by USA in name of liberty. In Vietnam war, in Corea war (the kill in the non fight zone under a bridge of a refugies column !!!! by marines !!!! it is only one example) the nuclear essaies of USA on its own army, etc...

By the way, the issue you mentioned above about Korea is actually the only incident where americans fired on civilians in that war. As far as Vietnam goes what would you have done if women and children used bombs, set booby-traps, fired at you and supplied the Viet Cong? It sounds like you are grabbing any string you can to try and criticize America.

 

[Ralendil]

No.. man

All nations have done same atrocities. France, Usa (I can quote more examples but maybe after you will treat me as communist ), Britains, Japaneses, etc.... have committed bad things.
None of them can say we are the good nation !

And all nuclear states have conducted tests of nuclear effects on their own armies. Us, France, GB, Russia. Don't know for other honestly so I don't quote here no more countries.

I would never deny that France has a left-wing state.

What can I say here.... we have 20% of extrem right, less than 8% of extrem left, 19 (14 with left wing's president) years since the end of the revolution (1800) of left government and our left wing do the right policy....

Public Administration is about to be killed by Europe. It is true we have a social system but when you see what is the system now you would understand that we can't bet on this system for our last days on this world
The corporation has never win as money as they win today...
Salaries fall down especially since we have euro....
If you don't have money yes it is true you wouldn't die at the door of an hospital. But life is very hard... for them

See what is our "left-wing state".... And honestly I hope it will have a new system not copied on US system. Why new? cause it is necessary but I don't think we have to abandon all our valors.

 

[thisismysn20]

Ralendil,

You talk about the U.S. and other nations using nuclear weapons on their military. First off this is true, I won't lie about that. However it was unknown what a nuclear weapon was at the time, or even about how the radiation would react and how far.

Many people, scientists included, said that making an atom bomb was a BAD idea. The reason was, it would set off a chain reaction which would eventually destroy the Earth, and possibly even more...

So the reason we "used" it on our military, was simply because we didn't know it would go that far of a distance. And by the time it was too late, many years down the road, we had high counts of cancer.

So perhaps you should explain it first, get the story straight.

For Vietnam, just read what unscrachedfoot wrote. If they carry a bomb/gun and shoot at you, even if they are 8, they are the enemy. Your life or theirs.

As for the pollution, yea we are the biggest polluter and also the biggest contributer of money to help solve the problem. Of course you have to make an effort to help out, after all you destroy the enviroment too. And you also did it for a longer period of time then the U.S., most of Europe was hitting the industrial age just before the U.S. did, slightly before.

"The entire world won't have to pay for the U.S.A. policy." What the hell are you talking about? Since when did France pay a dime to the U.S., when did France do anything for any country other then France?

Truthfully, it does seem like you are grabbing at anything you possibly can. Why do you hate the U.S. so much? Do you? We saved your butts twice, a little respect would be nice.

 

[PCHighway]

My deepest apologies Doragon. I simply couldn’t let Ralendil’s post slip by. . .

Unfortunately I have to agree with my nemesis, unscratchedfoot. (btw, that was really witty, calling me and Canuck idiots, just because we have respect for other people on this forum.)

I cant see why anyone from France is in the position to Criticize the u.s. First off the United States Doesn’t enforce anything on countries. And if we did win in Vietnam we certainly wouldn’t keep it, we would keep it independent. Like South Korea. Unfortunately we cant say the same about France, can we? When the u.s. attacks other countries, our misguided Presidents usually are trying to liberate said countries, from tyrannical government.

Secondly The u.s does pollute more than France, but the u.s also spends more than any other country to do something about it. The u.s. is nearly the size of Western Europe (which pollutes at least as much as the u.s.), with a higher g.p.d. than most of those countries. Its not like we try to pollute, We simply try to live are lives as best other as we can.

Sadly at the cost of the environment, We’ve mass marketed cars, telephones, trucks, factories, and any other polluting thing you can think of. (So does France, companies like Renault and Tompson come to mind) Yet the u.s has a 10 region wide EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) office, and a big international division included. Believe me, I know this first hand.

Have you forgotten about General Aussaresses???? I brought this up to show how Hypocritical you sound. This man admits to torturing many Algerian civilians. And lets it be known that the French officials are ‘aware’ of his actions, at the least. How about the Vichy Government? Who fired on Great Britain, Canada, and United States Ships, as they were trying to liberate France, from the Nazis? When France started losing its Colonies, it put the option of torturing out there, and made it ‘available for use’ or to put it frankly (no pun intended) Made torturing Legal. And no-doubt this went on in French-Controlled Vietnam. As well as other ‘colonies’ in Indochina and Africa.

Ralendil The entire world won't have to always pay for USA policy....

BTW): This was written before your last post, And I acknowledge your 'apologies' But why bring up this at all? We at least allow free trade in our country. Places like Japan are alowed to trade in all our cities, not one nameless port. I apologize for any offense Ralendil, and once more I apologize to Doragon, for posting again. But in the end, France is one of the countries I respect most. They reconize they're faults. And know what they did was wrong, many American cant say the same.

 

[OmniMower]

Originally posted by thisismysn20
We saved your butts twice, a little respect would be nice.

nah, but it would be nice to burn some yankee monkey ass with a nice and neat Gripen fighter !!!
...or what do you say thisismysn20......change your damn nick!

 

[thisismysn20]

=) PCHighway wrote almost the exact same thing as me... great minds think alike.

Swedish fag, I am going to change my nickname... your sis gave me a good nickname... OOO HARDERRRRR

 

[unscratchedfoot]

Originally posted by PCHighway
unscratchedfoot. (btw, that was really witty, calling me and Canuck idiots, just because we have respect for other people on this forum.)

Alright, I admit my comment was uncalled for and apologize for it. I wasn't happy that you called me a thread highjacker or something when you, Canuck, and the thread starter Doragon himself were all participating in the discussion as much as I was. Obviously there was (and still is) a strong interest in the subject so you really shouldn't be hacking on people for contributing. Let's forget about all this nonsense and continue the discussion in a gentlemanly manner shall we?

 

[thisismysn20]

And to think, I was the one that started all this ...

ACtually I like it, it's a good worthy debate and it seems to have a lot of people interested.

So debate on...

 

[PCHighway]

unscratchedfoot-I admit my comment was uncalled for and apologize for it.

Point taken, and I apologize for calling you a threadjacker, But for what its worth I was calling Alpine Trooper, Myself, aaaaaaaaaand . . . .

thisismysn20-So debate on...

No one is replying anymore. besides us, who will simply keep congratulating each other on points we made. And Doragon did say he didn’t want this discussion going on here. Right after my post. It wouldn’t be to hard to quote most of the posts here, make a new thread in O-T or world history, and post the quotes there. I would if I knew people were interested. If I ever do, Ill e-mail you guys a link. Who says intellectual discussions dont go on here? I just had one with Calcagus (about turks), and this was in the general forums. and was revalnt to the question he asked, so he didnt mind.http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32080 If you look at it, it might seem boring to a certain point, but that’s where I come in. Once again Doragon im sorry for posting, And i promise this is my last post. Seriously this time.

 

[thisismysn20]

PCHighway, I say we should start a new thread for this topic. Why not? It seems at least 6-7 people are interested in it here, and I'm sure not many people know about it because it's a "New Unit: Canadian Mountie."

So if you do start this thread, please e-mail me, I'm definitly interested!!!

Plus I'm sure it would add more people to the debate, and some different view points.

My e-mail is, thisismysn20@aol.com, thanks =)

 

[Ralendil]

well just two answers

"The entire world won't have to pay for the U.S.A. policy." What the hell are you talking about? Since when did France pay a dime to the U.S., when did France do anything for any country other then France?
=> it is difficult to explain to you as you think it is normal. I don't think give money would repair something !!!! Even if you are the best contributor ! Usa don't want to apply world convention signed by the entire world or nearly (yes they are not in so nearly). Usa exploit environmental arguments to impose some points in international convention or to impose taxes... etc...
The envirronement is, as I see that, the very last thing you would care of.
For pollution => http://www.greenyearbook.org/profiles/france.htm
http://www.greenyearbook.org/profiles/usa.htm
Compare yourself the progress of France and Usa like
SOX Emissions
Fr: Change from 1980 (%): -71.7 (OECD average: 39.2)
Us: Change from 1980 (%): -21.4
Etc....


I am french. I haven't forget Algeria, The construction of the france (succesions of feodals war), the indochina, the Algeria, The Rainbow warrior etc...
Even the nuclear test in Algeria on militaries and nuclear test in pacific on civilians.

So as I have said there's no evil country or good country !
Each country has made atrocities.
Would you want some quote ofg attrocities from US...
Like when they have discovered the first concentration camp...
Like use of DTT...
etc... (now I have quoted most examples i think)

No one can say we are the good country !

The examples
- Iraq has used bio weapons on his own people
- Iraq has used civilizians as shields during wars (and peace time)
- Iraq used chemical and bio weapons on Iran
- Iraq has funded terroism
- Iraq has harbored terroists
- Iraq has given weapons to terrorists

aren't a reason to make war on them... cause all our occidentalis nations have done these errors and atrocities.
- Iraq has used bio weapons on his own people => US has exterminated natives americans (indians) with provided to them contaminated blanket (lid?????)
- Iraq has used civilizians as shields during wars (and peace time) => as many of countries.
- Iraq used chemical and bio weapons on Iran => and us support research about that
- Iraq has funded terroism => and us has provided weapons rto them when they were usefull for the USA anti communist war.
- Iraq has harbored terroists => CIA has trained terrorists.
- Iraq has given weapons to terrorists => and Cia most weapons than Irak can give to them...

Well I stop here...

And i am interrestedby this thread just to confront our point of view. I think we are all as reponsible and polit as we need to do that. But not sure civfanatics modos would like that...


Oh and for that

when did France do anything for any country other then France?

Well we give to africans countries a very important help with Lome, and with Europe and even Frnace itself. We have canceled most of africans debts ! So you can't say we do nothing for other countries...

Now i will wait a new thread as others....

 

[PCHighway]

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[Agent-0]

USA funded and helped arm Osama Bin Ladin and the Mujahadin in their fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

What does this mean ? Well in a way...

USA has funded terrorism.
USA has armed terrorists.
USA has trained terrorists.

I am no USA hater, but basically I am just trying to say NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT and all of them make mistakes. Canada isn't an angel either, no country is.


I live in Canada and j-walk just about every day and have done it in front of cops... last time I checked they don't care. Only the worst and most up tight cops would fine you for something so stupid. Also, Canada is not the only country that has J-walking laws.

 

[Cloudyvortex]

Hasn't NATO outlived its usefullness now that the Cold War is over.

America and Canada each has a long and fruitful heritage. An amalgamation would destroy those heritages. The Serbs and Croats thought at the end of WWI that they should merge simply because of a common language. They didn't take into account their archnemesis churches, or hundreds of years of living under very different overlords. Now they are bitter enemies. Would being seperate states during the century have prevented the rivalry? It would have least lessened it.

 

[Goonie]

Ok. Whoever said that Canada is a cummunist is a ******!!!

Communism= NO GOVERNEMENT!

There has never been a communist government in the history of the world. That term is thrown around tooo much! Now. Where can I get an avro arrow unit?

 

[Goonie]

Ok. Whoever said that Canada is a cummunist is a ******!!!

Communism= NO GOVERNEMENT!

There has never been a communist government in the history of the world. That term is thrown around tooo much! Now. Where can I get an avro arrow unit?

 

[zulu9812]

What are you talking about? Governments are necessarily elected democratically.

 

[zulu9812]

And the Avro Arrow unit is in Lab Monkey's Unit Library thread

 

[Goonie]

Its true, the essence of communism is to have 'no government'. No one as actually acheived this!

 

[Furry Spatula]

uhhh actually the essence of communism is complete socio-economic equality. The essence of ANARCHY is no government.

Learn your terms.

And yes, both of them are unpractical, unachievable, and childish ideas. Now lets not dig up threads. This disscussion belongs in OT.