New unit; Harrier jumpjet

[Erocco]

lovely unit........mmmh......but what about a attack choper?

There is arleady 2 attack choppers out there.

 

[Kinboat]

Now I have to hurry up and finish my carrier for this thing to land on Great unit...

 

[davros42]

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lovely unit........mmmh......but what about a attack choper?
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There are at least THREE attack choppers out there.... the Apache, the Hind and a generic "attack chopper"

 

[Pablostuka]

Great unit again!!! Lovely!

 

[Eliminator]

great unit ......but the englisch are kicked out in the game so i still didn't see it in action

Those ****ing perisans are always so powerfull.

 

[HomeAir]

I just saw the plane in action and I don't understand why you made the plane spin in the run animation.

 

[muxec]

Good

 

[Smoking mirror]

For Homeair- the run animation is the bombing animation, perhaps you could swap the run and attack animation round so that it fires rockets when bombing and spins when executing Air superiority missions- whatever, its your choice, I just felt that an alternative movement was called for- I liked Kinboats veritech figher, the way it spins when running, so I decided to copy his idea

You could also use the default filc for running.

 

[Tepez2447]

Nice smoking mirror. Maybe one day you can do some russian aircraft like the Su-27 Flanker, Mig-29, or the new Su-47 Berkut.

 

[Michael York]

I invision using it for two units, the awesome fighter, Mk2 Sea Harrier, & the funny american av-8b craft. The Brit version is a fighter, american is a bomber, the indian is a modified mk1 fighter

 

[McJim]

As anther fellow English man you have made my year with this plane, muchos kudos Smoking Mirror. Just an idea eh?, The harrier jump jet proved it self as a supior fighter, how about some other supior Brittish Units such as the SBS, SAS or the Dessert Rats. The SBS and SAS have out shone the amater US Navy Seals And Green Berets Time and again in combat situations, BIG UP THE BRITS

 

[dog]

Originally posted by McJim
The SBS and SAS have out shone the amater US Navy Seals And Green Berets Time and again in combat situations, BIG UP THE BRITS

Specific examples please? Preferably from the last 15-20 years.

 

[stormbind]

That's really cool. Installing it now!

It looks like the RN fleet defence interceptor to me. Does anyone know if there is a RAF/USAF ground attack unit?

Yeah, I know the ex-RN and ex-RAF Harriers are now merged under one joint command but it's hard to describe the two varients without referring to RAF/RN.

Now, how about a compact carrier to launch them from?

 

[stormbind]

Originally posted by dog


Specific examples please? Preferably from the last 15-20 years.

Afghanistan. Infact, the USA caused a diplomatic incident when they got down on their knees and begged the UK to deploy additional SAS regiments; national policy is to have only one SAS regiment abroad at any one time.

They are not deployed in Iraq (or, if they are it is a secret). This time the USA decided they didn't want to be overshadowed.... end result, US Marines shot down a RAF Tornado

All specifics of the SAS regiments are classified so incidents involving the them cannot be disclosed. It is pointless to ask for further information as it is simply not available.

 

[stormbind]

Originally posted by Michael York
I invision using it for two units, the awesome fighter, Mk2 Sea Harrier, & the funny american av-8b craft. The Brit version is a fighter, american is a bomber, the indian is a modified mk1 fighter

They are all British exports and decended from the Hawker line of fighters. Britain maintains several varients for fighter, bomber and ground attack roles.

 

[Prussian]

Actually Stormbind, I wouldn't reference the downed Tornado. Number one, US Army Patriot batteries (Marines have no long range Air Defense) brought down the Tornado. Number 2, no disrespect to the lost crew, but they made a few errors that led to their being brought down by friendly fire. Doesn't help your "Big up the Brits" case much at all.

By the way, there is a jump jet carrier, check out the unit library for it, I forget exactly where it is at.

 

[stormbind]

Well, no disrespect intended but US Marines were attached to the RAF squadrons for target designation and they were responsible for the flight plan. The US Marines have accepted full responsibility for the loss of the Tornado and appologised; which says it all really.

I wasn't trying to "Big up the Brits", merely stating things as they are.

Investigation F/A-18 downed suggests it may also have been shot down by a US patriot missile, and although specifics have not been reported I guestimate that the F-16 that destroyed a US missile launcher may have done the right thing, and just in time.

The problem is not restricted to the accidental downing of one plane, it is a wide-spread problem with US patriot missile launchers. The connection with US Marines regards the flight plan and timing of the event in which the Tornado crew did exactly as they were told to.

Thanks, I got the carrier now

By the way, IMO a better name for the unit would be "Invincible" (from Invincible-class carrier, and the first completed unit was HMS Invincible. Flagship is HMS Arc Royal which differs in having the ability to bombard with cannons, albiet only a little.) Dunno if the scale is right, the unit looks a bit wussy but still good for distinction

 

[dog]

Originally posted by stormbind


Afghanistan. Infact, the USA caused a diplomatic incident when they got down on their knees and begged the UK to deploy additional SAS regiments; national policy is to have only one SAS regiment abroad at any one time.

Can you please provide a link? Surely such "a diplomatic incident" got some press coverage. It is my understanding that there are only three regiments of the SAS; 21 and 23 being TA formations and 22 SAS being the regular army regiment. I know the entire 22 regiment would never be deployed overseas together. Did you mean Sabre Squadrons instead of regiments?

Originally posted by stormbind


They are not deployed in Iraq (or, if they are it is a secret). This time the USA decided they didn't want to be overshadowed.... end result, US Marines shot down a RAF Tornado

Yes they are and it's not a secret (anymore anyway). Link
And how would the presence of the SAS prevented that Tornado from being shot down?

Originally posted by stormbind

All specifics of the SAS regiments are classified so incidents involving the them cannot be disclosed. It is pointless to ask for further information as it is simply not available.

Not that secret! I think that all 22 SAS have to rotate through a "Lurid Autobiography Writing Course." Here's an article on the difficulties the UK government are having in keeping those blokes quiet.

Mind you...I'm not saying the SAS are inferior to US spec ops groups, such arguments are ridiculous. Most Western nations have elite units that crosstrain with comparable units from other Western nations and they all have similar skills. SAS trains with GSG9 trains with Delta trains with SASR (Australian) trains with SEALs trains with SBS etc etc. Statements like "SBS and SAS have out shone the amater US Navy Seals And Green Berets Time and again" or "the USA caused a diplomatic incident when they got down on their knees and begged the UK to deploy additional SAS regiments" are real cute and colorful and make the homers feel good but I think such hyperbole indicates a real lack of underlying truth. All these units have successful ops and failed ops. They also seem to have "glory years" and not-so-glory years. Look at the disaster of Bravo Two Zero. Compare that mission to some of the compromised deep recon missions of US Special Forces detachments in Iraq during Desert Storm ("Commandos" by Douglas Waller is recommended). Check out the forums at military.com, specialoperations.com and MilitaryForums.co.uk. Check out what real SF types have to say about Andy McNab and B20. Not knocking the SAS, just saying they're as human as anyone. Highly trained but still human.

SAS are the originators, the archetypal spec ops unit that influenced most of the spec ops units throughout the Western world. They are universally held in high esteem. There's no reason to hype them up even more. And no reason to cut down the US units, especially in light of recent achievements (I think PFC Jessica Lynch might agree). People can brag and boast all they want but it means nothing without some evidence from a reputable source to back up the claims. And knowing someone who's brother's "in The Regiment" doesn't count either!

I'm getting ready to read "The Joker: 20 Years Inside the SAS" by Pete Scholey. It looks like a really good read. If you want to learn more about US spec ops I'd recommend the aforementioned "Commandos" as well as "Inside Delta Force" by Eric Haney, "Never Fight Fair!" by Orr Kelly, "Black Hawk Down" by Mark Bowden and "Code Name:Copperhead" by Joe Garner.

Amazon.com has the entire 32 page intro to "Commandos" right here. You can read about Special Forces ODA-525's compromised recon mission for free, courtesy of Amazon!

If I ever get back to making units, an SAS trooper circa the Iranian Embassy Siege is one that I had planned to do.

 

[stormbind]

I'll come back with specific links when I have more time.

The diplomatic incident did get press coverage, at least it did here. The reason for the request was that the SAS had previously operated in Afghanistan and were familiar with the territories.

No SAS units are regular army. All members of the SAS have been professional soldiers for a minimum of 4 years, afterwhich they begin much more exhaustive training.

Several people pertaining to be ex-SAS have published books.

 

[stormbind]

I checked your link... Helicopter pulls out SAS team after secret mission uncovered

Well, I did say it was secret!