New Unit: Hospitaler Knight

Originally posted by BeBro


papajohns, yep, SpincruS is right -- that was the main reason to make civ colors only those blue parts. They work quite good in game IMO. Since Hospitalers used either red clothes with white crosses, or black clothes with red crosses using civ colors for their clothes or the horse´s cover would not look correct when one civ uses anything else than red or black then.

Black and white..you are referring to the Knights of St.John right? The knights themselves were a monastic order and thus wore Black with white swallow-tail crosses (i.e. the kind of cross you find on the crown of the Queen of England or on the trucks of St.John's ambulance). Red and White were the colurs of the patron saint and were used in the flags of the order as well as the uniforms of its soldiers (who were not all knights as you can imagine). As to the matter of nationality: the Order was formed with 8 "Langues" - France, England, Italy, Germany, Castille, Provence, Auvergne and Aragon. Then English Langue was abolished in the times of Henry the 8th of England as the Knights were Catholics. It was restored towards the end of the 17 century as the Anglo-Bavarian langue and included English, German and Polish nobility. Portuguese knights formed part of the two Spanish langues. So basically, most europeans should be able to build these guys.

More than the horse-riding knight you have here the Hospitaliers were famous for fort-building, medicine and Navy (their two most abiding strongholds were in Rhodes and Malta, hardly the arena for horse-riding knights). I'd love to see a unit called Order Galley or say, a Wonder called the Lazaretto of St.John in Malta (replacing longevity perhaps?)
 
Yeah, you´re correct about the colors, confused the black/red thingies ;)

I agree also about the fort-building abilities, but OTOH horse and lance are standard equipment for the knights 12/13 cent., and mounted knights were also common in the forces of the Templars or Hospitalers in the Holy land.
 
Originally posted by BeBro
Yeah, you´re correct about the colors, confused the black/red thingies ;)

I agree also about the fort-building abilities, but OTOH horse and lance are standard equipment for the knights 12/13 cent., and mounted knights were also common in the forces of the Templars or Hospitalers in the Holy land.

I lived in Malta for a while and the forts they have there are still quite impressive ^^ not to say very many of them.
Mind you, I agree with what the knight looks like, they would have looked like that in the beginning. It's just that between the 11th and the 18th century, when it still had any significance, the order changed priorities and tactics somewhat. And as I said I'd love to see an order galley. They were famous for well, their role in Lepanto, piracy on moslem shipping and their general ubiquitiousness in mediterranean navies of the time.

Actually, I'd love to see any late european galley. Galleys were the mainstay of major navies of the period between 1400 and 1750. Sweden, Russia, Ottomans, Spanish, the Order, Venice, Piedmonte...they were all galley-heavy. Just because the English didn't have them does not mean the more modern galley is not a deserving unit to be made.
 
Actually IIRC in that period galleases -- defined as shallow-draft craft propelled by both oars and serious rigging -- not galleys, would indeed have been the Mediterranean mainstay.

@veezed - Mrtn is only equivocating because one of the two galleases available is ancient Egyptian; the other should fill the bill for you nicely :)

-Oz
 
Originally posted by ozymandias
Actually IIRC in that period galleases -- defined as shallow-draft craft propelled by both oars and serious rigging -- not galleys, would indeed have been the Mediterranean mainstay.

@veezed - Mrtn is only equivocating because one of the two galleases available is ancient Egyptian; the other should fill the bill for you nicely :)

-Oz
One of the three galleasses available is Egyptian, sure, but who said anything about that? :p I think you should find them on pages 29 and 34 in the unit library, respectively. One is called Late Galleass, and is the typical Lepanto ship.

BeBro, sorry for getting off topic. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by mrtn
One of the three galleasses available is Egyptian, sure, but who said anything about that? :p I think you should find them on pages 29 and 34 in the unit library, respectively. One is called Late Galleass, and is the typical Lepanto ship.

BeBro, sorry for getting off topic. :rolleyes:

Yes I know there are galeass models. But then I've seen models of real renaissance galleys so forgive me if I cannot totally identify one as the other. The don't particularly look alike, although I would certainly use the galeass when I finally make that 1565 scenario. Thanks though.

Sorry about the whole galley business, should ahve started another thread somewhere else.
 
Update

As announced in the thread for the Teutonic Knight, here´s an update for the Hospitaler too (please see dl-link in the first post)

Changes:

- added a victory anim which the old version had not
- changed the cross on the shield a bit
- re-rendered all in better output quality

In the first post is also a new preview of the victory anim.

:) Merry Christmas :)
 
Merry Chistmas, and thanks for the update:)

btw it would nice to see it compared to the old.
 
Here´s the old attack anim:
 

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Changes are not so big as on the teutonic knight, but the new rendering reduces the tendency to flicker on object edges or certain textures. However, it turns out differently on different units, depoending on their level of detail, and the textures used there. It is no huge difference here on this unit, but looks better imo ;)
 
:hmm: Now to find the origianl I downloaded in my files. Thanks for the update!
 
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