New Unit - Terrorist

[Hunter]

Originally posted by Shady

The distinction between terrorist and patriot is that the patriot has not yet written history in his way to seem like the patriot.

For myself the destinction is the target. Terrorists hit civilians while patriots or freedom fighters hit millitary.

Trreorist=Scum
Freedom Fighter=Well... thats perspective

Originally posted by Shady

I really like your idea but I just don't think how it can be worked into civ without having a bunch of crazy ivans running around.

I like the terorists in the Civ game for the roll of cheep cruise missle. So a nation that is losing a war or competely out matched can attack with MAD BOMBERS to slow or damage the attacker.

 

[Shady]

Originally posted by Hunter


For myself the destinction is the target. Terrorists hit civilians while patriots or freedom fighters hit millitary.

I'm not sure that's necessary in every case. I think that 100% of the times suicide bombers do it for a cause they believe in doing and that most of the time terrorists organize in order to achieve a political goal. The benefactor of that goal will of course elevate the terrorists to patriots.

I strictly doubt that anyone would go run into civilians and blow himself up just for the heck of it. These people are more or less heroes because their people face opression and simply strike back at the people of the opressors since it might be the only language they understand.

So really, who you view as terrorist and patriot really depends on your bias in the specific situation and EVERYONE has some prejudices.

 

[tx138]

"I strictly doubt that anyone would go run into civilians and blow himself up just for the heck of it. These people are more or less heroes because their people face opression and simply strike back at the people of the opressors since it might be the only language they understand. "


Well, the sad fact is that the muslim religion has been hijacked by some really angry people. Their religous leaders tell them, that they will go to heaven if they commit suicide. Meanwhile, do the religous leaders ever go on suicide missions? Nope. What kind of religion tells you to commit suicidce anyways?

The terrorists in Israel do target civilians exclusively. Specifically buses. Because the explosion is in an inclosed space, thus doing more damgage.

During the Clinton administration, a deal was offered to Arafat. Basically giving him everything that he wanted, and had been fighting for since the sixties. Clinton was able to get the Israelies to agree to this, because he had made promises to them. Arafat turned this down. For no real reason. Everything that he had fought for, as a terrorist, was finally put on the table and he rejected it. You have to ask yourself, why would he turn this down? It would have given the Palestinians everything they wanted. No more oppresion, a Palestinian state, and a government recognized by the U.N. (which every state or government wants).

Basically, he knew that if the Palestinians got what they wanted and needed, he knew he would be out of a job. If you don't know this, Arafat's family lives in Paris, off of millions of dollars that Arafat steals from international aid to the Palestinians.

So what you have there, is one more screwball dictator that is ruining millions of peoples lives, so he can get rich.

Just so you know, Palestinians had tried in the past to stage coups in some of the countries around Israel. Due to this history, Palestinian immigrants are not welcome in most countriess in that area. So, for the most part Palestinians are stuck exactly where they are.

Terrorism is never acceptable. It is only used by screwballs, who know that they will never win against a military target. All of the world's dictators, are only into leadership for a few things. Money and power.

FYI. N. Korean leader, Kim Dae-jung, family lives in Switzerland. Saddam Hussein's family lives in Libya.

Terrorists don't organize to achieve a political goal. Terrorists organize, because they are stupid, uneducated, and being used by someone else, for their own goals.

 

[Wi1d]

'Terrorists don't organize to achieve a political goal. Terrorists organize, because they are stupid, uneducated, and being used by someone else, for their own goals.'

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Wi1d]

Btw thecrazyroach,
I can't connect via ftp. I pinged it and got a responce. Do you have an odd port in use or something?

 

[Neomega]

Originally posted by tx138
FYI. N. Korean leader, Kim Dae-jung, family lives in Switzerland. Saddam Hussein's family lives in Libya.

Isn't it Kim Jung Il? YOu sure his family lives in Switzerland.... I could've swore his father died in North Korea, and AFAIK he isn't married or have children.........

BTW, this discussion really should be in the off topic section..... coments here should be on the unit itself.

And Arafat was offered 95% of everything he was fighing for, not everything.

 

[Hunter]

BTW, this discussion really should be in the off topic section..... coments here should be on the unit itself.

Very true Neomega we should all stop this discussion before it turns into what happened to the Mountie unit.

In suport of this unit I say use terrorists (in the game that is). Good work thecrazyroach.

 

[tx138]

Originally posted by Neomega


Isn't it Kim Jung Il? YOu sure his family lives in Switzerland.... I could've swore his father died in North Korea, and AFAIK he isn't married or have children.........

BTW, this discussion really should be in the off topic section..... coments here should be on the unit itself.

And Arafat was offered 95% of everything he was fighing for, not everything.

You are right about that. I copy and pasted the wrong name.

Kim Jong Il's family lives in Switzerland. He has 3 kids. 2 boys and a girl. My understanding is that he has 3 different wives, that are responsible for the kids.

My point was, something is wrong when the families all seek asylum or live in wealth in other countries. Just tying N. Korea, Iraq, and Palestinian leaders together.

 

[Padma]

Moderator Comment: Let's leave the "Terrorism: Good or Bad?" discussion out of this thread. I would hate to deep-six a thread about a potentially useful unit just because the debate turned "political".

 

[Shady]

Sorry, didn't mean to get into anything that came close to a deep discussion.

But still, i would like the unit to be unprofitable for the haves and somewhat profitable for the havenots

 

[Hunter]

In the case of the have nots could the unit be set to the same flags as the cruise missle but have a lower cost and bombard efect? Thus making it less likely to be used by the AI (if it has the resorces for the cruise) or any player.

The only other flag I might give it is invisable.

What do you think shady?

 

[Padma]

No problem, Shady.

Just want to keep the discussion on track about the Civ3 unit and off the politics/Real-World stuff.

BTW, who resurrected this ancient thread? Oh, it was tx138.

 

[tx138]

Yeah it was me. I would like to get back to my original question.

Is it possible to have a unit that can only be made by a city that has a specific city improvement. Meaning for a terrorist to be made, you have to have a terrorist training center. Once the unit is made, give it movement of an explorer and abilities of artilery. Make the units as cheap as a worker, but also, when a terrorist is made, the cities pop drops by one. Just like a worker. Making the cost of a terrorist more then just upkeep. Make the terrorist have no real attack or defense value, so if they are seen in the open, they are attacked like a worker, except the unit is destroyed.

Success is determined by how many defending military units are in the city. If the city is undefended, then it has a 100% success rate. For every military unit that is in the city, the terrorists odds drop by 20%. The unit destroys a city improvement and reduces the cities population by 1 point. If you want to find out, what other civ is putting bombers in your city, then you have to use the intelligency agency to determine what cities have terrorist training camps. I think that this is pretty realistic.


I have played civ3 and PTW since they came out, but I am pretty new to the creation thing and civfanatics. So, I apologize if these questions have already been asked and answered.

 

[tx138]

One more question. Is it possible to make unit graphics from scratch. And what program can I use to do that?

 

[Hunter]

As for you first set of questions I must say I have never found a way to do any of it. sorry. I wish you could.

As for unit creation:
One you need a 3d program a image progam and flicster as well as SBB. If you want to get started without using a 3d program (cut and paist method) then you just need an image program.

Second you need to go to the tutorials section there are some great help threads there. As well as I belive you can talk about it in the creations main forum.

Good luck

O and I quite plainly hold some of the blame for going off topic here sorry.

 

[Varkasal]

Originally posted by tx138
Yeah it was me. I would like to get back to my original question.

Is it possible to have a unit that can only be made by a city that has a specific city improvement. Meaning for a terrorist to be made, you have to have a terrorist training center. Once the unit is made, give it movement of an explorer and abilities of artilery. Make the units as cheap as a worker, but also, when a terrorist is made, the cities pop drops by one. Just like a worker. Making the cost of a terrorist more then just upkeep. Make the terrorist have no real attack or defense value, so if they are seen in the open, they are attacked like a worker, except the unit is destroyed.

Success is determined by how many defending military units are in the city. If the city is undefended, then it has a 100% success rate. For every military unit that is in the city, the terrorists odds drop by 20%. The unit destroys a city improvement and reduces the cities population by 1 point. If you want to find out, what other civ is putting bombers in your city, then you have to use the intelligency agency to determine what cities have terrorist training camps. I think that this is pretty realistic.


I have played civ3 and PTW since they came out, but I am pretty new to the creation thing and civfanatics. So, I apologize if these questions have already been asked and answered.

If you were to copy the military academy I believe it is that allows you to make armies and flaged the terrorist as an army with no transportation capacity you can also give it the attack and defense values you want ...... back to the academy if you copied it from the text files and then renamed it and gave it a different appearence you could specify that only with the "Terrorist training facility" can you make this unit .

 

[unscratchedfoot]

This unit's a great idea and well done; unfortunately, when I added the terrorist to my game with cruise missile, and hidden nationality flagged, the AI never used it. Also, the invisible function doesn't work against the AI so when I stepped over the border the poor little terrorists were killed. I tried using them with a ROP and he used the railways to approach targets successfully, but I refuse to use units which the AI can't use.

 

[Ossric]

nice unit

 

[Jon3229]

magnificent unit now i can send terorist aganst my foes in peace time.

 

[TopGun]

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