New Units: The Sea People (March 10, 2005)

[Rob (R8XFT)]

so would it be accurate at all if I used these as flavor units for one of the 31 original civs, or do these guys need a civ of their own?

I'm using them for generic early units for most of the civs in Anno Domini.

 

[aaglo]

Cool

...altough I thought that there would be some kind of aquatic beings to download here...

 

[Mithadan]

so would it be accurate at all if I used these as flavor units for one of the 31 original civs, or do these guys need a civ of their own?

I'm using the Sherden guy as a mercenary soldier of Egypt, sort of their last cool unit before their decline I guess. The Peleset guy I'm calling a Philistine, and decided to give him to the Anatolians rather than to the Semites because, well, the Philistines always fought with the Hebrews (so it would be a tad odd to have them in the same civ), but apparently came from Anatolia originally. Not the best solution, but that's what I've come up with.

 

[Arne]

These are two units for Arne's bronze age scenerio. I just thought that these guys were pretty cool, so I threw a couple of units together.

Thank you utahjazz7, they are awesome! They will be built in today.

It seems, a lot of you will like my upcoming scenario. Actually the german version of this sceanrio is still far away from alpha status, but here are a lot of bronze age friends, like it seems. So it may be I should open a separate thread just now here in C&C forum? I still miss some bronze age units, actually I'm filling this loop with different units, wich are looking in some way like the missed units.

 

[Mithadan]

I'm a supporter of Velikovsky. But this units convert me back.

This Velikovsky guy is fascinating! I gotta pick me up some of his books.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

@Mithandan: The Sherdan were Pirates that actualy preyed on the Egyptians...

 

[Raw is War?]

These look great!

 

[Halidon55]

Well done.

 

[Mithadan]

@Mithadan: The Sherdan were Pirates that actualy preyed on the Egyptians...

Sure, but after the Egyptians defeated them, they enlisted them into their own army as mercenaries, no? I thought that's why there's a Re sun disc in-between the horns of Sherden helmets.

 

[Grand Cadfael]

One atlatean swordsman for my mod!

 

[flamescreen]

Great stuff! It would be wonderful to have more Bronze Age units.

If you'll wait long enough I'm planning 2-3 from that era as well.

And I believe these are probably the most identifiable units I've ever seen.
Especially the Peleset/Pelasti/Philistine/EteoK ones.

The Sherden can easily be used for Celtic ancient era UU's IMO, as well.

 

[Kyriakos]

Will someone also make some byzantine uinits? For civ2 there are sets and sets, i dont think there are any byz infrantry units for civ3 ;| (apart from the berserk which can be used as a varangian)

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

You are right in that the Egyptians managed to integrate some sub-tribes of the Shardanians into their army. Though the Egyptians did not defeat them prior to this. In fact the Egyptians were overwhelmed by the first and second campaign of the Sea Peoples and settled for peace by offering them land and autonomous rule within these lands:
A very intersting new site about the Sea Peoples and their individual tribes

The role that the Shardana played with relation to Egypt varies from one text to another. They appear as a contingent of the Egyptian army in a wide array of sources, including the battle inscriptions of Ramesses II, the Anastasi Papyrus, and the Papyrus Harris of Ramesses III, and as an enemy of the Egyptians for the first time under Ramesses II, in the Tanis and Aswan Stelae, dated to year 2 of Ramesses II (Gardiner 1968: 195-6). Ultimately, they seem to have been mercenaries with no fixed alliances, who would fight either with or against Egypt (Zertal, 2001: 228).
In the late 19th century, the French scholar Gaston Maspero suggested that the Shardana were a migratory people originating in Sardis who eventually settled in Sardinia, giving their name to both places. This theory of a migrating group of Sea Peoples was generally accepted in the 19th to early 20th centuries, but, according to Robert Drews (1995: 49-72), it has since come to be disputed. There is no evidence in the texts or archaeological record that the Shardana were a migratory people, nor that they were migrating to Sardinia from any other place.

In conclusion they'd make great pirates and mediterranean barbarians, far more suitable than Egyptians... BTW. the "Peleset" looks more like a Danuna Spearman... the Peleset were the Biblical Philistines.



The Helmet has nothing Egyptian about it: Easy to misjudge from the image I presented earlier, the helmet bares a ball shape rather than Ra's sun disc...

The Shardana showed up in Egypt again during the reign of Merenptah, when they fought Egypt as part of a coalition of Sea Peoples (Redford 1992: 248-9), and again in the reign of Ramesses III, where they are featured prominently in the Medinet Habu reliefs as fighters alongside the Philistines. They are depicted both among the Sea Peoples and as allies of the Egyptians, distinguished by their horned helmets with a ball projecting from the middle, round shields, and large swords (Gardiner 1968: 196-7).

 

[Mithadan]

Nice site, thanks.

Hmm, I don't know how to implement any mediteranean pirates and barbarians into my epic game (any more than I've already got, I should say), but I do know how to implement them as mercenaries fighting for Egyptians.

Looks like my source (yeah, it's only one source; I am a man of limited reading) is in direct conflict with your bit about the "ball" on the Sherden helmet:

[Based on the Medinet Habu reliefs, the] distinctive helmet seems not to have had only horns initially, the central disc (not 'ball' as it usually described) not being added until after the Sea Peoples were defeated and therefore presumably connected with the Egyptian sun god Re (Terrence Wise, Ancient Armies of the Middle East [Oxford: Osprey, 1981], p. 38).

Maybe that's beause my text is, uh, going on 24 years out of date!?

Anyway, as a guy who doesn't mind giving Hussars to an Austrian civ , I also don't mind terribly giving Sherden swordsmen to Egypt. It would be cool if one could have more than the rather limited selection of true "barbarian" units that Civ3 allows for though, of course.

Edit: If that's what Denuna warriors look like, then what did the Philistines look like?

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

I just wanted to spread the info besides, having been born on Sardinia myself it was kinda important to me ...

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

We aren't really sure where they were from or who the Sea People were, but my guess is that they were either Phoenician or Atlantean (Atlantis). Yes I do believe that there was an Atlantis. No I didn't read if anyone posted info about who they were.

Anyway, I like the units. Nicely done !

 

[Mithadan]

I just wanted to spread the info besides, having been born on Sardinia myself it was kinda important to me ...

Ahah! A bit of a biased opinion, eh? Cool...

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Ahah! A bit of a biased opinion, eh? Cool...

nononono never

 

[Mithadan]

Right on!

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

All lies! I never...

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