New Wonders Discussion Thread

[Quagga]

I don't think the wonder would be worth building just for Free Religion.

10% research bonus in all cities is worth something to me. Especially, if you're trying to avoid adopting a religion, it's better than Paganism. Besides, we don't know if the wonder would cost the same as Stonehenge or the same as Space Elevator.

Although I understand your point, it seems similar to saying that the Pyramids aren't worth building just to get Representation.

Anyway, it was just an idea of what to do with one of the multiple religious wonders that are coming with BtS.

 

[mitsho]

And I do think it is a valid one! In RFC - a mod - the Pyramid effect gets swapped over to stonehenge and vice versa, and then changed to allow all religious civics instead of government ones (due to the fact that most of the time the Egyptians build it and they got free slavery and hereditary rule as their UP). Anyways, I do think out of experience that "opens up all religion civics" is a nice gimmick, but not at all gamebreaking. It has its uses (when you need to be friendly with that someone else which you often have to in RFC), but not in all scenarios... And on top of that it also makes sense historically, if you think for example of the tolerant Romans (or later: Ottomans).

mick

 

[Spammurabi]

I think one of the religious wonders may actually have a religious spreading/free missionary type effect. Maybe Christo Redentor, as it symbolizes the evangelical Christian religion spreading to South America?

 

[GoodGame]

Suggestion: a wonder that's somewhat like Pyramids, in that it allows you to run any religious civic, regardless of whether you've discovered the technology.

Check the RFC mod.

 

[sneaky]

The Statue of Zeus was included in the Warlords' Rise of Rome scenario.
I never played the scenario, but according to the booklet, it functioned like this:

Statue of Zeus
Cost: 500
Culture: +10
Great People Points: 2
Requires: -
Effects: Reduces maintenance in all cities with 10%.

While I don't think they would just copy it it at least gives us an idea what to expect of the new Statue of Zeus in BTS.

 

[Uberness]

Am going to guess and say the moai statues will give a 50-100% production boost from chopped forests that will go obsolete late game and will likely come with masonry or construction.

 

[marioflag]

I agree with spammurabi that giving the Christ Redemeer an effect on religion spreading would be really fit and a good new wonder.
I don't agree about making a wonder which adds to religious buildings a production bonus (also if small) because they are already OP building considered that in the best case(with University of Sankore and Spiral Minaret) they give you a bonus to culture,research,gold and happiness

 

[petermarkab]

agree with Uberness - with a 100% yield from chopping, a player will chop everything (rather than wait for lumbermills) leaving himself with no trees. Which is basically what happened in real life.

I don't see the sense in having a negative effect from a wonder cause no-one would build it!

 

[NYHunter]

No it wouldn't. Overpowered? Perhaps, but there needs to be some things that allow for overpower in certain aspects of the game. But it is not "massively" overpowered. And any civ can build it so it's perfectly fair.

That would be massively overpowered

 

[Thedrin]

Good Samaritan:
Shwedagon Paya will incerase the spread rate of your state religion, but that's just a guess.

I'd like this bonus if it's attached to a wonder that appears later in the game (Christ Redeemer).

NYHunter:
No it wouldn't. Overpowered? Perhaps, but there needs to be some things that allow for overpower in certain aspects of the game. But it is not "massively" overpowered. And any civ can build it so it's perfectly fair.

How powerful it is depend on how early it appears in the game. For an early wonder it would be massively overpowered. For an industrial age wonder (Christ Redeemer was completed in 1931) it wouldn't be overpowered.

Incidentally, whether a civ can make up for not building a wonder has a much greater bearing on whether that wonder is overpowered. Simply having the option to build it does not.

 

[sylvanllewelyn]

The Christ Redeemer is a strange one, because while the technology required to build it is obviously industrial age at least (and modern age in reality), it is also a primarily religious wonder, and in the late game everyone adopts free religion, so it really makes me wonder what religious effects could it possibly have. I'm guessing something like +4 hapiness for cities with your state religion, or something that dramatic. Remember you're giving up 10% science with free religion in the late game.

 

[amaterasu]

The economy civics all come late on, perhaps one of the wonders will affect that?

 

[mitsho]

@sylvanllewelyn (you're welsh?) for example an increased spreading rate of all religions in your country is a) religion related, b) useful with free religion and c) late in the game not unbalanced!

m

 

[T.rex]

As someone who has devoted thier life study in the fields of Paleontology and Comparative Anatomy I'd like to add a national wonder called the "Crystal Palace". Refer to link below for more info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crystal_Palace

Bonuses: +8 culture, can turn 2 citizens into scientists and two citizens into engineers, +50% research in city built and a +10% reseach bonus in all other cities. Cost 750 hammers, double production speed with iron. Obsoletes with genetics.

 

[mitsho]

Wouldn't that be a awesome and realistic industrial wonder as well? We have so few of those. (I really would like to get a few more industrial and modern wonders)

 

[T.rex]

Wouldn't that be a awesome and realistic industrial wonder as well? We have so few of those. (I really would like to get a few more industrial and modern wonders)

Well it wouldn't produce any bonus production (hammers), but as you may have noticed, it does give the option to add two engineers.

 

[mitsho]

I didn't mean specifically regarding your suggested boni but in general.

 

[Edgecrusher]

1 Idea that was floated around on the Creation and Customization board, was have the "Christ The Redemer" wonder put teh city into a permanent state of "Golden Age" or WLTKD.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Permanent WLTKD would be OK but a permanent GA in the city would be a bit too good I expect. I'd definitely build it in the capital then, and be running beurocracy.

It'll probably be cheaper sex-change operations though!

 

[clarktu]

I believe some wonders in Civ3 is great and should be introduced into the new version, like Leonardo's Workshop (half upgrade cost), Art of War (free barracks), Theory of Evolution (free tech), Magellan's Voyage (naval unit movement +1), Copernicus' Observatory (double science output), and Shakespeare's Theatre (no unhappy people). The last two act same as Oxford University and Global theatre, but isn't it great if you can build Oxford university together with Copernicus' Observatory?