Reverse engineering likely Civs based on “Associated Wonders.”

[Eagle Pursuit]

I'm not a super fan of the creator or the means by which it was created, but what could be more American than turning the face of a mountain into a statue?

 

[Zaarin]

I'm not a super fan of the creator or the means by which it was created, but what could be more American than turning the face of a mountain into a statue?

On Native American sacred land, no less. I can't deny the logic in that argument.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

On Native American sacred land, no less. I can't deny the logic in that argument.

A good way to make sure they never get the Lakota to consult them ever again.

 

[Xandinho]

These would be my guesses for the base game, based on wonders and assuming 14 per era (15 for Exploration because Shawnee DLC). Bold are fully confirmed civs, italics are pure guesses on my own part. This is what I think is likely, not what I think should be, so don't hate me for putting in "Polynesia" instead of Tonga or Hawaii (I think it's likely because we've seen both Tongan and Hawaiian elements in one shot and have my doubts that we'll get two Polynesian civs with the base game).

I roughly ordered them by possible succession and I used some blank spots to facilitate this, but civs being in the same line doesn't necessarily mean I think they will be "historic" successors ingame.

Ancient	Exploration	Modern
Goths - Mausoleum of Theodoric	--	Germany - Brandenburg Gate
--	Franks	France - Eiffel Tower
--	Normans - Tower of London	Britain - Oxford University
Mississippians - Cahokia	Shawnee - Serpent Mound (DLC)	America - Statue of Liberty
Maya - Mundo Perdido	Aztecs	--
Polynesia - Ha'amonga 'A Maui	Inca - Machu Picchu	--
--	Spain - El Escorial	Mexico - Palacio de Bellas Artes
Rome - Colosseum	Portugal	Brazil
Greece - Oracle	Byzantium	Russia - Hermitage
Assyria - Dur Sharrukin	Mongolia - Erdene Zuu Monastery	--
Han - Weiyang Palace	Ming - Forbidden City	Qing - Summer Palace
Silla - Emile Bell	Edo Japan	Meiji Japan - Dogo Onsen
Khmer - Angkor Wat	Indonesia - Borobudur	Siam
Maurya - Sanchi Stupa	Chola - Brihadisvara Temple	Mughals - Red Fort
Persia - Gate of All Nations	Abbasids - House of Wisdom	Ottomans
Egypt - Pyramids	Songhai - Tomb of Askia	Buganda - Kasubi Tombs
Aksum - Great Stele	--	Ethiopia

My guesses for some:

Aztecs: Huey Teocalli
Portugal: Belem Tower
Byzantines: Hagia Sophia (I can see the Hippodrome of Constantinople as a good contender)
Edo Japan: Edo Castle
Great Britain: Big Ben (I don't think it's Oxford University)
Brazil: Cristo Redentor (maybe they'll go to Maracanã)
Siam: Wat Arun
Ottomans: Topkapı Palace
Ethiopia: Fasil Ghebbi

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

A good way to make sure they never get the Lakota to consult them ever again.

Is there any way to spin it to make it a Lakota wonder?
If not, what would a possible Lakota wonder be?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Is there any way to spin it to make it a Lakota wonder?
If not, what would a possible Lakota wonder be?

The Bighorn Medicine Wheel is owned by the Crow Tribe, but it's the first thing I thought of.

Medicine Wheel/Medicine Mountain National Historic Landmark - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Crow don't know who built it, incidentally.

 

[Thormodr]

These would be my guesses for the base game, based on wonders and assuming 14 per era (15 for Exploration because Shawnee DLC). Bold are fully confirmed civs, italics are pure guesses on my own part. This is what I think is likely, not what I think should be, so don't hate me for putting in "Polynesia" instead of Tonga or Hawaii (I think it's likely because we've seen both Tongan and Hawaiian elements in one shot and have my doubts that we'll get two Polynesian civs with the base game).

I roughly ordered them by possible succession and I used some blank spots to facilitate this, but civs being in the same line doesn't necessarily mean I think they will be "historic" successors ingame.

Ancient	Exploration	Modern
Goths - Mausoleum of Theodoric	--	Germany - Brandenburg Gate
--	Franks	France - Eiffel Tower
--	Normans - Tower of London	Britain - Oxford University
Mississippians - Cahokia	Shawnee - Serpent Mound (DLC)	America - Statue of Liberty
Maya - Mundo Perdido	Aztecs	--
Polynesia - Ha'amonga 'A Maui	Inca - Machu Picchu	--
--	Spain - El Escorial	Mexico - Palacio de Bellas Artes
Rome - Colosseum	Portugal	Brazil
Greece - Oracle	Byzantium	Russia - Hermitage
Assyria - Dur Sharrukin	Mongolia - Erdene Zuu Monastery	--
Han - Weiyang Palace	Ming - Forbidden City	Qing - Summer Palace
Silla - Emile Bell	Edo Japan	Meiji Japan - Dogo Onsen
Khmer - Angkor Wat	Indonesia - Borobudur	Siam
Maurya - Sanchi Stupa	Chola - Brihadisvara Temple	Mughals - Red Fort
Persia - Gate of All Nations	Abbasids - House of Wisdom	Ottomans
Egypt - Pyramids	Songhai - Tomb of Askia	Buganda - Kasubi Tombs
Aksum - Great Stele	--	Ethiopia

Polynesia to Inca?

*Ow* *Ow* *Ow*

Please no!

(Yes, I know there is some conjecture about contact because of the sweet potato and other things but I think it is still largely theoretical and wouldn't fit at all, IMHO.)

Hopefully, Nazca or one of the Andean precursor civilizations (Moche, Tiwanaku, Chimu, etc.) into Inca.

A Complete Timeline of the Andean Cultures of South America

The ancient history of South America's Andes mountains are traditionally divided into 12 periods, from preceramic until the Spanish conquest of 1534.

www.thoughtco.com

Edit: The Wari would be perfect, too.

 

[JNR13]

Polynesia to Inca?

*Ow* *Ow* *Ow*

Please no!

This is why I said

I roughly ordered them by possible succession and I used some blank spots to facilitate this, but civs being in the same line doesn't necessarily mean I think they will be "historic" successors ingame.

 

[Thormodr]

This is why I said

No worries.

 

[Henrique3d]

Was the House of Wisdom ever seen

I saw that, and, to me, it could be the House of Wisdom (or the Round City of Baghdad, but the House of Wisdom seems to make more sense as a wonder)

 

[Ryansinbela]

I see

 

[Xandinho]

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I saw that, and, to me, it could be the House of Wisdom (or the Round City of Baghdad, but the House of Wisdom seems to make more sense as a wonder)

As far as I know, there were several "Houses of Wisdom" during the Abbasid period. Therefore, a better name to specify the one in Baghdad would be Bayt al-Ḥikmah or Grand Library of Baghdad. But this illustration screams to me much more of the Round City of Baghdad than of the House of Wisdom of Baghdad.

 

[Henrique3d]

As far as I know, there were several "Houses of Wisdom" during the Abbasid period. Therefore, a better name to specify the one in Baghdad would be Bayt al-Ḥikmah or Grand Library of Baghdad. But this illustration screams to me much more of the Round City of Baghdad than of the House of Wisdom of Baghdad.

Yeah, the devs also like to stick with the original name of the wonders. But my reasoning is that the House of Wisdom seems to make a better wonder in the game than the round city. Bayt al-Hikmah could provide bonuses towards Science and Culture, but what bonus came with a round city?

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Maybe it will be discussed tomorrow but is there some extra bonus for building your associated wonder?

 

[TreVor_ish]

Maybe it will be discussed tomorrow but is there some extra bonus for building your associated wonder?

The only bonus I saw, was that You could build Your wonder earlier, if chose the civ specific civic path.

 

[Xandinho]

Yeah, the devs also like to stick with the original name of the wonders. But my reasoning is that the House of Wisdom seems to make a better wonder in the game than the round city. Bayt al-Hikmah could provide bonuses towards Science and Culture, but what bonus came with a round city?

I think they could go for administrative or even scientific bonuses since the House of Wisdom was there. I believe it is Round City of Baghdad largely because of the walls surrounding the building, but who knows... Maybe it is the House of Wisdom taking the physical form of the Round City of Baghdad.

 

[Krikkit1]

I think they could go for administrative or even scientific bonuses since the House of Wisdom was there. I believe it is Round City of Baghdad largely because of the walls surrounding the building, but who knows... Maybe it is the House of Wisdom taking the physical form of the Round City of Baghdad.

Its Red Square/Kremlin/St Basils all over again

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Its Red Square/Kremlin/St Basils all over again

The difference being that at least Red Square, the Moscow Kreml and St Basil's Sobor still exist, whereas not only does the House of Wisdom not exist, but we have no depictions or descriptions of it when it did, so any 'model' of it in the game is pure conjecture.

 

[Henrique3d]

I know this is not about wonders, but, since this channel is about speculation about likely civs, what do you guys think of these Celtic looking units? Gauls/Celts will be in the game?

 

[The_J]

I don't know in which thread/stream that was, but we have seen celtic/gaulic looking units when Augustus with Rome was on the screen, as his units.