Next Sneak Peak

[sonicmyst]

While we wait for the FL today, I suddenly remember a defunct comedy program here in the Philippines in the 90's entitled "Mr. Shooli, the Mongolian Barbecue"

 

[Stringer1313]

I think people are just reading things into the leaders that aren't there. Other than their fixed agenda and whatever intrinsic bonuses come from their civ uniques, they behave interchangeably with no definable personality. In my current game Brazil is mostly peaceful, they're the science leader and are aiming at a science victory, while having next to no culture output (other than me, the main peaceful culture-focused leader in this game is Gorgo). In other games they've been culture focused, strong or weak, and ranging from passive to highly aggressive. Every other civ behaves in exactly the same way. Slight personality differences do apparently exist, but they're much less evident than in past Civ games: there will be a slight tendency for Brazil to be powerful and culture-focused more often than not, but that's the extent of it.

I agree with this. The only major difference I notice is how much civs focus on religion. Other civs almost never declare war on me (unless it's a joint war that resolves almost instantly), and I've never felt any real negative impact from not fulfilling their agenda. I've been at -100 with civs who still do not declare war on me. I just don't see the point of the modifiers.

 

[Zaarin]

If I'm not mistaken, queen Puabi was also buried with some servants, but I guess it wasn't as much as Qin Shi Hamster Huang. However, how many people were actually burried with him?

The annals say quite a large number, but his tomb is filled with mercury (and traps, according to the annals) so archaeologists aren't exactly eager to risk life and health to find out for themselves. Where's Indiana Jones when you need him?

 

[Scaramanga]

I haven't looked into the coding, but if differences in personalities are intended something appears to be preventing them from being expressed well in most cases. I don't have any sense of "rival Civs who you always grown about when you see their colors appear in your game" because all of them appear to be essentially interchangeable. Brazil could be a demon one game, and Sumeria plays exactly the same way exactly as effectively in another, while Gorgo focuses on peaceful cultural victories in some games and Montezuma sits peacefully on the sidelines denouncing the player for being a warmonger (all examples from my last two games).



I'm not sure how you can say "it's nothing to do with a UU" given that the sole reason people are suggesting the Mongols may not have a cavalry focus is that the sneak peek shows a military unit and doesn't feature horses. My point is that nothing in the sneak peek suggests that they won't have a cavalry focus.

Sure, it's intended to be ambiguous, and that's part of the fun. It's certainly made me check my research and it looks to me like the bow draw is not what would be considered a Mongolian draw:

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Sure, it's intended to be ambiguous, and that's part of the fun. It's certainly made me check my research and it looks to me like the bow draw is not what would be considered a Mongolian draw:

Of course, you're assuming the person who threw together a 1 minute video based on a quick wikipedia search took the time to properly model a specific ethnic archery technique.

 

[Scaramanga]

Of course, you're assuming the person who threw together a 1 minute video based on a quick wikipedia search took the time to properly model a specific ethnic archery technique.

Not many ethnicities have an archery technique named after them.

 

[Ever Adrift]

I'm gonna keep pretending it's going to be Timur (Tamerlane) and the Timurid Empire. That would be fun.

 

[ButtBillionaire]

Their themes better have some grade-A throat singing in them.

 

[bite]

This was the puurfect sneak peak

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

A funky looking cat, a blacksmith forging an arrow, and an archer with a recurve bow.

It's the Mongols.

Genghis Khan was buried with 6 cats.

His given name Timujin means blacksmith.

Mongols used recurve bows.

Yep, the recurve bow was what convinced me it was the Mongols. Their bows were like the super-weapon of the age. They were actually folded back on themselves, & all that extra pressure allowed arrows to be launched ridiculously long distances. Temujin was a military genius, organizing his armies into units of 10, with a leadership system based on merit. Now, if only he hadn't been quite so brutal to civilians.

 

[pgm123]

Yep, the recurve bow was what convinced me it was the Mongols. Their bows were like the super-weapon of the age. They were actually folded back on themselves, & all that extra pressure allowed arrows to be launched ridiculously long distances. Temujin was a military genius, organizing his armies into units of 10, with a leadership system based on merit. Now, if only he hadn't been quite so brutal to civilians.

The bow is not really all that different from what the Seljuk Turks (or even the Saka) used. But the Mongols are the most famous for it.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

The bow is not really all that different from what the Seljuk Turks (or even the Saka) used. But the Mongols are the most famous for it.

Their bows weren't the only brilliant thing that Temujin brought in, though. His military tactics were highly advanced, & they used silk under their armour, as it would wrap around an arrowhead as it entered the body, making it easier to remove the arrow without killing the victim.

 

[Bechhold]

Mongolians safe bet.

 

[Guatenadian]

Of course, you're assuming the person who threw together a 1 minute video based on a quick wikipedia search took the time to properly model a specific ethnic archery technique.

Not for a 1 minute video, but maybe for a full-length trailer for R & F?

You can see the daughter in the video not only having the Mongol bow, but also using the Mongolian Draw technique seen in @Scaramanga's photo at the 1:08 mark.

 

[ferretbacon]

Not for a 1 minute video, but maybe for a full-length trailer for R & F?

You can see the daughter in the video not only having the Mongol bow, but also using the Mongolian Draw technique seen in @Scaramanga's photo at the 1:08 mark.

Not only that, but look at the Daughter's arm wrappings. They match the ones in the sneak peek video.

 

[PhilBowles]

The bow is not really all that different from what the Seljuk Turks (or even the Saka) used. But the Mongols are the most famous for it.

It's the specific, angular style of the limbs that struck me, not the simple fact that it's a recurve bow. Recurve bows could be almost anyone from the Mongols to the Ottomans to the Byzantines or Persians. Looking at images online the specific shape of the bow is very similar to Mongol weapons rather than those from these other societies.

 

[Arianrhod]

I highly doubt they would have alternative leader for DLC civs, because that means they would either have to give that civ for free for people who bought expansion but not the DLC, or block the civ from them. Either way is gonna cause rants.

Again, it would be pretty straightforward: include Persia (and some second leader), but not Cyrus, with the expansion. Persia is subsequently available to either owners of the DLC or owners of the expansion; owners of the expansion get the new leader only, owners of the DLC get Cyrus only, and owners of both get both. In this scenario, it's not an expansion bonus only for people with the DLC, nor does it leave people who bought the DLC completely screwed over since they still have a unique leader.

It's not a good situation for them to be in, especially since IIRC it was paired with Macedon of all things, and as a result I wouldn't expect it to happen if they intend to sell more DLC -- however, it's still a 'fairer' solution than simply including a DLC civ with an expansion, which I believe they have outright done before.

That said I doubt this is Persia regardless. Probably Mongolia, as said. I'll continue to sleep through any FL that isn't Phoenicia (or the very-unlikely Burmese and the disconfirmed Hittites), but really now, it's about time the Mongols showed up and they're as good a way as any to burn this year down.

 

[agonistes]

Yep, the recurve bow was what convinced me it was the Mongols. Their bows were like the super-weapon of the age. They were actually folded back on themselves, & all that extra pressure allowed arrows to be launched ridiculously long distances. Temujin was a military genius, organizing his armies into units of 10, with a leadership system based on merit. Now, if only he hadn't been quite so brutal to civilians.

Was he all that brutal? My opinion of him was that he could also be exceedingly just and fair at times.

I'll let the pro's weigh in on this. I'm curious now.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

This thread deserves another "cat" image:

Spoiler :

But I can't relate it with any civ or leader, maybe Tamar.

 

[Phoenix1595]

This thread deserves another "cat" image:

Spoiler :

But I can't relate it with any civ or leader, maybe Tamar.

Clearly, nobody has heard of Sir Meowington of the sublime nation of Kittystan. They purrfected the art of mousesmithing and the re-claw bow. Nobody messed with Sir Meowington.