Nominations for Defence Minister
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I nominate
General_W and ClassicalHero
General_W and ClassicalHero
fe3333au
Deity
I nominate Peter Grimes for this position as I feel we need someone with heart and well as strength ... and you may all recall that Mr. Grimes looks after an ailing mother and a sickly sister ... security at home will be ever in his thoughts.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I'll accept. It is high time that we need direction in this area.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
I respectfully decline.
Going to run for Domestic.
Going to run for Domestic.
I humbly accept the nomination, thus absolving me from the need to weigh the advantages of running for Team Captain or Domestic Minister.
So, on to the fourth round of Orations:
I will not explain to you all why I should be in charge of our Armed Forces. I cannot do that: You must all decide within your own Hearts what you feel is best for the security of our Nation. These are dangerous times, indeed!
TNT
Forgive me for starting with the east one first! Think back to the early Iron Age, when every person near and far had heard of the treachery and irrationality of the TNT. Seems we've almost done a complete 180 turn here. TNT are not a military threat to us. TNT play no first-level role as far as Defense is concerned. They certainly play a second-level role - as pawns to be placed in position to harry our other two adversaries.
DNUT
Getting hotter.... We are about to land scouts on their land. There is no way around it, sooner or later somebody has to be the first to land on the other continent, and I am proud that the first units will be Greeks! This simple act will change the diplomatic geography for the rest of the game. Before this term even begins there is a very good chance we will have been declared At War With Dnuts.
If this happens we will need to orchestrate our moves very carefully: We don't want to hit a Golden Age while we are not in the government of our choice. So, until we are out of Anarchy there will be allowed no Hoplites overseas! It is for their own good, and for the long-term good of our economy.
KISS
This is the one I've been putting off... Where to start?
Assuming KISSMIA continues into the Middle Ages
We will have minimal need of aggressive military units on our own continent. Barbarians are the biggest concern, and they can be cleared shortly now that our military factory is humming along, and a second one to come online in the next term. This does not mean we don't need any defense at all - on the contrary, I would rather see a stronger military force at home than overseas. I see our home force consisting of about 5 Hoplites and a couple of Horsemen. Scouting forces overseas shouldn't need more than three or four warriors (veterans and elites exclusively) and three Horsemen.
If KISS goes schizophrenic and welches on the deal
I can't speak to the government type we'll wind up with, so I can only forecast under Despotism. We will produce a skeleton crew of Horsemen to act as a rapid response force, and then produce Hoplites for defending our Frontier towns.
If we are lucky enough to not be in Anarchy if war breaks out with KISS, we should send a Hoplite north, with the dual intent of a) pillaging important resources, and b) engaging a Golden Age when they inevitably put a stop to the pillaging.
If this seems like a bleak assesment of our current and near-future military situation, unfortunately we have KISS's recent greediness to thank. Even so, we are currently the team best positioned on the Tech Tree, with the strongest defensive unit until the middle-Middle Ages, and top-tier productivity. In other words, the future is Rosy!
So, on to the fourth round of Orations:
I will not explain to you all why I should be in charge of our Armed Forces. I cannot do that: You must all decide within your own Hearts what you feel is best for the security of our Nation. These are dangerous times, indeed!
TNT
Forgive me for starting with the east one first! Think back to the early Iron Age, when every person near and far had heard of the treachery and irrationality of the TNT. Seems we've almost done a complete 180 turn here. TNT are not a military threat to us. TNT play no first-level role as far as Defense is concerned. They certainly play a second-level role - as pawns to be placed in position to harry our other two adversaries.
DNUT
Getting hotter.... We are about to land scouts on their land. There is no way around it, sooner or later somebody has to be the first to land on the other continent, and I am proud that the first units will be Greeks! This simple act will change the diplomatic geography for the rest of the game. Before this term even begins there is a very good chance we will have been declared At War With Dnuts.
If this happens we will need to orchestrate our moves very carefully: We don't want to hit a Golden Age while we are not in the government of our choice. So, until we are out of Anarchy there will be allowed no Hoplites overseas! It is for their own good, and for the long-term good of our economy.
KISS
This is the one I've been putting off... Where to start?
Assuming KISSMIA continues into the Middle Ages
We will have minimal need of aggressive military units on our own continent. Barbarians are the biggest concern, and they can be cleared shortly now that our military factory is humming along, and a second one to come online in the next term. This does not mean we don't need any defense at all - on the contrary, I would rather see a stronger military force at home than overseas. I see our home force consisting of about 5 Hoplites and a couple of Horsemen. Scouting forces overseas shouldn't need more than three or four warriors (veterans and elites exclusively) and three Horsemen.
If KISS goes schizophrenic and welches on the deal
I can't speak to the government type we'll wind up with, so I can only forecast under Despotism. We will produce a skeleton crew of Horsemen to act as a rapid response force, and then produce Hoplites for defending our Frontier towns.
If we are lucky enough to not be in Anarchy if war breaks out with KISS, we should send a Hoplite north, with the dual intent of a) pillaging important resources, and b) engaging a Golden Age when they inevitably put a stop to the pillaging.
If this seems like a bleak assesment of our current and near-future military situation, unfortunately we have KISS's recent greediness to thank. Even so, we are currently the team best positioned on the Tech Tree, with the strongest defensive unit until the middle-Middle Ages, and top-tier productivity. In other words, the future is Rosy!
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
Thanks Peter - Regarding recent developments with KISS, how do you feel about the potential of signing a Right-of-Passage with KISS and letting them launch attacks on Dnuts from our shores? (and vice-a-versa)
Classical Hero- would you care to elaborate on how you will provide direction for this department?
Classical Hero- would you care to elaborate on how you will provide direction for this department?
fe3333au
Deity
KISS have also suggested that their first target may in fact be Nuts.
What are your feeling about this ... and would you embrace a double attack while leaving TNT temporarily free to reinforce and grow while everyone pummels Nuts ???
What are your feeling about this ... and would you embrace a double attack while leaving TNT temporarily free to reinforce and grow while everyone pummels Nuts ???
Regarding a potential Right Of Passage Agreement with KISS
KISS has mentioned investigating the utility of a ROP agreement for the purpose of prosecuting a war against DNUT. I can only see one way this would work to their benefit: If there were a road connecting our territories, passing through the jungle. A Pan-Continental Highway would be the largest engineering project to date. It is possible, but the investment would be enormous. Using Galleys to ship the units south may prove more economical, and therefore I see this as a purely hypothetical question.
But if we chose to enter into that sort of arrangement with KISS, we'd need to buy a little insurance: I'd want to have a few units of ours hidden in the jungle, ready to pillage the road if KISS abused the privilege - or if things got tense. I'd also like to have some horsemen (Knights would be better) in their territory, just as they would have units in ours. We could station them outside a couple key cities to monitor production, and we could also have two stationed on their iron. Hopefully this would be acheivable in turns of unit support, as this would be pretty far in the future, if it happened at all.
Regarding KISS attacking DNUTs and leaving TNT alone for a little while
I am skeptical of their public statements concerning their war plans. Really, the natural place for them to attack is on the NorthEast of BattleIsle, while the natural place for MIA is in the SouthWest. If TNT is left alone, I don't see that as our problem, so much as it will hinder KISS in settling closest to their core. Also, a stronger TNT will put up a stronger fight against KISS. That would be the largest dividend gained from KISS leaving TNT alone for a bit.
KISS is eager to go to war, I would much rather see us remain above the fray, but if they want to go to war against DNUTS, that will only help us. Let's just make sure there are enough Greek settlers filling in behind KISS's armies so that KISS doensn't manage to get a foothold there.
KISS has mentioned investigating the utility of a ROP agreement for the purpose of prosecuting a war against DNUT. I can only see one way this would work to their benefit: If there were a road connecting our territories, passing through the jungle. A Pan-Continental Highway would be the largest engineering project to date. It is possible, but the investment would be enormous. Using Galleys to ship the units south may prove more economical, and therefore I see this as a purely hypothetical question.
But if we chose to enter into that sort of arrangement with KISS, we'd need to buy a little insurance: I'd want to have a few units of ours hidden in the jungle, ready to pillage the road if KISS abused the privilege - or if things got tense. I'd also like to have some horsemen (Knights would be better) in their territory, just as they would have units in ours. We could station them outside a couple key cities to monitor production, and we could also have two stationed on their iron. Hopefully this would be acheivable in turns of unit support, as this would be pretty far in the future, if it happened at all.
Regarding KISS attacking DNUTs and leaving TNT alone for a little while
I am skeptical of their public statements concerning their war plans. Really, the natural place for them to attack is on the NorthEast of BattleIsle, while the natural place for MIA is in the SouthWest. If TNT is left alone, I don't see that as our problem, so much as it will hinder KISS in settling closest to their core. Also, a stronger TNT will put up a stronger fight against KISS. That would be the largest dividend gained from KISS leaving TNT alone for a bit.
KISS is eager to go to war, I would much rather see us remain above the fray, but if they want to go to war against DNUTS, that will only help us. Let's just make sure there are enough Greek settlers filling in behind KISS's armies so that KISS doensn't manage to get a foothold there.
fe3333au
Deity
Ha Ha Ha ... I can see in now.
Lead On brave KISSers we back you up with our swords.
Are we there yet?
Well we need to build a town so we can keep our armour clean and spears pointy!
Well no ... technically we havn't clashed arms yet ... but we have made it difficult for them to attack our rear.
What do you mean where are our armies? Surely you can see the need to protect our property.
Why did we grab the resources .. umm ... to stop TNT getting them in the future.
Ha ha ha
Lead On brave KISSers we back you up with our swords.
Are we there yet?
Well we need to build a town so we can keep our armour clean and spears pointy!
Well no ... technically we havn't clashed arms yet ... but we have made it difficult for them to attack our rear.
What do you mean where are our armies? Surely you can see the need to protect our property.
Why did we grab the resources .. umm ... to stop TNT getting them in the future.
Ha ha ha
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Here is a short statement on behalf of the friends for the election of classical hero for Defence.
This message has been paided for by the friends for the election of Classical Hero as Defence Minister. Vote for him, or else.
This message has been paided for by the friends for the election of Classical Hero as Defence Minister. Vote for him, or else.
Friends of Classical Hero said:
This statement reveals traits of my opponent that I can only assume he felt voters should be aware of, for the safety and security of our nation:
There is not a single unit we have built that is useless
Every single unit performs a vital funciton in our economy. Our two curraghs were built to allow us to gain contacts with the outside world. We have successfully traded more than a few technologies because of these 40 shields invested in curraghs.
Our warriors on MP duty (50 shields) has resulted in massive science spending. The ones not on MP duty (40 shields) have performed invaluable escort duty for our settlers (settlers=300shields + 100 food) and workers (guarded workers = 50 shields) By my reckoning, that investment in warriors has saved us from losing about 350 shields and 100 food. Useless, indeed.
We have been talking about building Hoplites for three terms
There has been nearly continuous discussion of the military build queues. To throw out a statement like the second sentence demonstrates a lack of understanding of the discussions of the moment. Simply stroll back through the defense threads and the next few turns threads and read the discussions: The timing of starting Hoplites has been a topic of discussion for weeks. To say otherwise is to demostrate a lack of attention to current affairs.
We ARE building Hoplites and Horsemen
A second horseman is being built, and then our first Hoplite. Just read the defense threads, and it is all right there. There was debate about whether or not to build a Hoplite before the next Horse, but our capable Defense Minister opted for a Horseman. There was no objection then, so I'm not sure why there is objection now.
Regarding my bathing habits
Until we figure out a way to supply hot water to an indoor shower, I am bathing once a week in the river: No more, no less. Any one who has a problem with that may kindly keep it to themselves. Defending the Realm is a dirty business, out in the fields or woods for months at a time. We dont' lead the soft life of a Minister who has offices in the capital, unfortunately. But that's the life of a Defense Minister. If the 'friends' of my opponent think otherwise, they'll be in for a olfactic surprise the first time their idol comes home (assuming he wins, of course
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fe3333au
Deity
fe3333au
Deity
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classical_hero
In whom I trust
I have heard that my opponent secretly visits that place, but not for bathing. That are the whsipers that are sounding the city. Any more info about this and my source might get killed, so I will now shut up. More to come as I find dirt on my opponent.fe3333au said:Looks like we give em' soft wooded swords and let em' have it out
By the way .. the more executive of Ministers meet in these facilties ... they are situated under the Foreign Offices
classical_hero
In whom I trust
1. They wil be useless if we are to be attacked. Warriors are usless because they lead up a path that has very little potental. Swordsmen are good attackers, but they are slow and that is not good. Our Curraghs have done there job and now they must be put out of service.peter grimes said:
2 and 3. Talk is not good enough, we need action. So far we do not have one Hoplite and it is not good enough to say that we are planning to do one, we should have had one by now. We must not build anymore warriors as they are useless. Remember that we will soon be in a republic and MP does nothing for us when we have changed our government. We need our best defence not today, but yesterday. We need horsies because they are fast and they will go to a good upgrade path.
4. Point taken, but you should be the standard bearer for the army. We do not want to kill them by stinking them to death, but by our powerful army. That must get into your head.
Here is an artist impression of my opponent.
Now here is a point that we have not yet done and this is amazing that we have not done this yet. WE MUST GET CONNECTED TO A SOURCE OF IRON!!! This is a serious lack of foresight by this team that we do not have this great resource connected. This is something that must be done, not now, but yesterday.
Now here is my campaign slogan being displayed here for the very first time. You would have noticed that i have used it already in my reply and I will do so contiunally.
It should have been done, not now, but Yesterday!
Remember to bring out the babies so that I can kiss them and I will shake your hand when I visit you in a town of the great country of Missing In Action. I seriously doubt that you would want to go within ten feet of my opponent.
He he he...
Response to follow after I sort the points worth responding to from the chaff of my opponent's last post.
He he he!
Response to follow after I sort the points worth responding to from the chaff of my opponent's last post.
He he he!
He for whom one should not cast a vote said:
Warriors are not useless. They serve a purpose. You are correct in observing that the purpose for which they were built is becoming less important; but I will argue to the end that Every single warrior we built was necessary. I also agree with you that we will start putting them out of commission soon. That idea is not unique to you, so don't try and take credit for it.
the Other Guy in this election said:
To say that 'Talk is not good enough' is to remind the voters of your lack of understanding of the nuances of our Military History. We have debated, in post after post, "What unit to build where, and when?" The fact that we are just now starting to build Hoplites does not reflect a carefree attitude towards defense: On the contrary, these debates have highlighted just how seriously every single resource use is being questioned. It is for this reason that MIA has the highest (or tied) GDP, Productivity, and Land Area. We are an extremely efficient team, and it is the very fact of debate and questioning that has resulted in so robust a nation. Hoplites play a role in that strength, but until now we needed other units more than we needed Hoplites. Just read through the historical threads. It's all right there.
The guy who hasn't yet spent a day marching through the swamps with the Pride of our Nation said:
I can take criticism. I will do what I can, while in Athens (at least) to present myself with more of an eye towards Public Opinion. You are right that it is unbecoming a Minister of MIA to issue such malodorousness that the electorate feel unsafe approaching, lest they catch the louse I am currently harboring. I will find my way to those baths Fe mentioned, and see what a short rest there will do.
By the way - interesting about that graffiti... I have searched the walls of Athens, and can't find it anywhere.. Maybe the 'artist' is Classical_Hero himself?
As to Iron...
This is a big step. Once connected to Iron, we have no more chance at a cheap unit. The cheapest offense will then be Archer (20). Swordsman (30) is, indeed, powerful, but I'm not sure we want to connect just yet. I would wait for three or four Hoplites to be built before connecting the Iron. Of course, I am open to arguments on this subject. If elected, I will certainly seek input from the team as to how we should proceed. It is, after all, a domestic matter.
fe3333au
Deity
Wow even the young playing at soldiers have an opinion ... how much jiggy fruit 
did that cost ???
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