Norway Sentences 1,052 Whales to Death

[Abaddon]

Whaling is SICK.

 

[ShannonCT]

I am pretty sure Norwegians can survive without eating whale meat. I simply refuse to accept, that it is necessary to hunt any animals in such brutal way only because some idiots like the taste of their meat.

You could say that about any meat, hunted or farmed. I for one refuse to accept the brutal harvesting of soybeans, just because some vegan idiot likes the taste of tofu.

I stand corrected! They classify minke whales as "low risk - near threatened". I still think that means the species is in danger, if not "endangered".

Actually, that classification is only one level above the lowest danger rating. Low risk means exactly what it sounds like.

Yes you are doing something illegal. Just because you protest a law does not mean you are not bound by that law. For example, in my state of Ohio we just recently passed a ban on all public smoking, which I am totally against. However, if I were a business owner, I would still have to comply with the law or face the penalty, whether I agree with the law or not.

Ohio business owners are bound by Ohio law, like it or not. Norweigians aren't bound by any international organization's law unless they willingly submit to it's authority. If the international community thinks this is a real problem, they can vote for sanctions against Norway. But they won't.

 

[Winner]

Frankly, I don't see why other countries simply don't force the few remaining whalers to do something else. I guess it would take only few armed warships to put an end to whaling once and for all.

 

[Masquerouge]

You know what, Cheetah, I'm glad you this subject was brought up because I learned a lot about the matter, doing my own research and reading what others posted, and my opinion has changed.
So now I actually think your whaling quotas are okay, if you're limiting yourselves to the Minke whales.

 

[Winner]

You could say that about any meat, hunted or farmed. I for one refuse to accept the brutal harvesting of soybeans, just because some vegan idiot likes the taste of tofu.

That's the worst analogy I've ever heard.

 

[bhsup]

That's the worst analogy I've ever heard.

Okay, how about pork products? Pigs are supposed to be fairly smart animals, right? Ever eaten any bacon? Ham?

 

[CurtSibling]

What makes me laugh is that 90% of the so called 'carnivores' here would hurl
and cry for mamma if they seen some real gore or an animal being slaughtered.

.

 

[Sophie 378]

Any volunteers to farm whales? How far apart do you plant them?

 

[IglooDame]

You know what, Cheetah, I'm glad you this subject was brought up because I learned a lot about the matter, doing my own research and reading what others posted, and my opinion has changed.
So now I actually think your whaling quotas are okay, if you're limiting yourselves to the Minke whales.

Seconded. My first reply was somewhat tongue-in-cheek (deliberately ignoring every lesser evil to concentrate on the single greatest evil is particularly narrow-minded), but in looking at the circumstances it appears that Norwegian whaling isn't all that much worse than hunting the local furries.

 

[IglooDame]

Frankly, I don't see why other countries simply don't force the few remaining whalers to do something else. I guess it would take only few armed warships to put an end to whaling once and for all.

Committing an act of war in the process. How many human lives are you willing to end in order to save a few hundred Minke Whale lives?

 

[CurtSibling]

I am for bombing the Nordmen over their evil whaling.

But to be deadly serious:
I think animals have more value than many humans I could list.

 

[ShannonCT]

Hmmm. It might. I suppose it depends on how you balence the "need" for people to hunt whales with the "need" for the whales to survive. Imho, whales are too brainy for me to feel comfortable with them being killed for food when there are so many other critters with smaller brains available. The method of catching and killing strikes me as particularly brutal, too.

Ahh, I wondered when we would get to the issue of whale intelligence. Whales have a tiny brain compared to their body size. Just one hundredth of the brain/body ratio of humans. By this measure, cows, pigs, and dogs are significantly smarter than whales. The research on dolphin intelligence is highly contested, and that on whale intelligence nearly nonexistent.

The method used to kill whales is violent in order to provide the whales a quick death. For animals used as food, whales have it damn good, living their lives in freedom and dying usually quick deaths. Much better than a chicken or farmed fish.

That's the worst analogy I've ever heard.

I wasn't being serious.

 

[Cheetah]

You know what, Cheetah, I'm glad you this subject was brought up because I learned a lot about the matter, doing my own research and reading what others posted, and my opinion has changed.
So now I actually think your whaling quotas are okay, if you're limiting yourselves to the Minke whales.

Actually, I'm not strongly pro-whalehunting, but I have enjoyed being "the bad guy" in this discussion.

Whales were hunted way to much during the 19th and early 20th century, and I would like to see whale populations of half a million or more. And I am very concerned about how much the whales suffer when they are killed.

But they are huge animals, and I understand that it is hard to kill them quickly and painlessly.

And I do like meat! I eat cows, I eat salmon and other fish, I eat pigs, I eat birds and I eat whales. It's in my nature.

Basicly, it comes down to this:
1. It is bad to kill of a specie.
2. It is natural to eat other animals, and whales tastes good.
3. No being should suffer needlesly. The faster a single whale can be killed, the better.

 

[Sophie 378]

Ahh, I wondered when we would get to the issue of whale intelligence. Whales have a tiny brain compared to their body size. Just one hundredth of the brain/body ratio of humans. By this measure, cows, pigs, and dogs are significantly smarter than whales. The research on dolphin intelligence is highly contested, and that on whale intelligence nearly nonexistent.

Is it a good measure of absolute intelligence, though? (Come to think of it ... is there a good measure of absolute intelligence?)

The method used to kill whales is violent in order to provide the whales a quick death. For animals used as food, whales have it damn good, living their lives in freedom and dying usually quick deaths. Much better than a chicken or farmed fish.

How long does it take a whale to die/lose consciousness? How long does it take a cow in a slaughterhouse to die/lose consciousness?

 

[Cheetah]

The method used to kill whales is violent in order to provide the whales a quick death. For animals used as food, whales have it damn good, living their lives in freedom and dying usually quick deaths. Much better than a chicken or farmed fish.

Absolutely agreed. The treatment a lot of chickens and other livestock is disgusting!

 

[Cheetah]

Is it a good measure of absolute intelligence, though? How long does it take a whale to dielose consciousness? How long does it take a cow in a slaughterhouse to die/lose consciousness?

And when they are living? When they are living in tiny cages with to little room to move around? When they are transported to the slaughterhouse in trucks where they almost can't breed and definitly can't move? Who has it better then?

It is wrong that a being has to suffer, but whaling isn't the worst there is, and if all the other things are allowed, it is hypocritical to demand that whaling is stopped.

 

[Sophie 378]

And when they are living? When they are living in tiny cages with to little room to move around? When they are transported to the slaughterhouse in trucks where they almost can't breed [sic] and definitly can't move? Who has it better then?

It is wrong that a being has to suffer, but whaling isn't the worst there is, and if all the other things are allowed, it is hypocritical to demand that whaling is stopped.

Well, I only eat organic free-range meat and animal products, so I'm not being (too) inconsistent ... I agree that battery-farming is horrible and should be outlawed.

 

[ArneHD]

Frankly, I don't see why other countries simply don't force the few remaining whalers to do something else. I guess it would take only few armed warships to put an end to whaling once and for all.

Oh, so I suppose you wouldn't mind us sending in a few infantry battalions to stop all hunting in your forests?

Edit: Czech warships? Don't make me laugh.

 

[PrincepsAmerica]

Facts:

1. They're just whales.
2. Whale meat looks good, I hope to try it one day.
3. The quotas seem perfectly fair.
4. The whales are not endangered.
5. Whaling is badass.

 

[MobBoss]

What makes me laugh is that 90% of the so called 'carnivores' here would hurl
and cry for mamma if they seen some real gore or an animal being slaughtered.

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I am willing to bet not. I know for a fact I wouldnt. Done my fair share of hunting and slaughtering thank you very much.