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[Ferocitus]

More old fashioned left of center with not much tolerance for far right/left BS and extreme PC culture.

The type that bans forced foot-binding, one toe per election cycle.

 

[Zardnaar]

The type that bans forced foot-binding, one toe per election cycle.

Well I posted a thread which had the success rate of revolutions.

 

[Patine]

The type that bans forced foot-binding, one toe per election cycle.

That's one of the false and slanderous claims of what Centrists believe promoted by far-left and far-right ideologues (who, as I have said, both flourish on constituents with little true education or common sense and who are easily taken by vitriolic, sensationalist, and hyperbolic which has little or no true substance or value). Another of those repugnant slanderous attacks was "so, only 3 million dying in the Holocaust instead of 6 million." Absolutely vile attacks on an ideology that next to no one associated with extremist ideology (and extremism never leads to good things, no matter what "wing" of the spectrum it's on, or what it starts out promoting) actually seems to really know, understand, or accept what Centrists actually believe and stand for.

 

[Zardnaar]

That's one of the false and slanderous claims of what Centrists believe promoted by far-left and far-right ideologues (who, as I have said, both flourish on constituents with little true education or common sense and who are easily taken by vitriolic, sensationalist, and hyperbolic which has little or no true substance or value). Another of those repugnant slanderous attacks was "so, only 3 million dying in the Holocaust instead of 6 million." Absolutely vile attacks on an ideology that next to no one associated with extremist ideology (and extremism never leads to good things, no matter what "wing" of the spectrum it's on, or what it starts out promoting) actually seems to really know, understand, or accept what Centrists actually believe and stand for.

I'm not even that centrist just self aware enough that to win an election some far right/left policies will drive away votes.

Using gay marriage for example I would vote for it, I wouldn't campaign on it. There's no votes in it and the people who want it would know what way to vote (hint not GoP).

Replace gay marriage with other left wing ideas. Alot if them won't fly.

If you are a representive of a blue or red state from the other side you may not be able to support everything your party does so you pick and choose your fights.

Option B is you get voted out and replaced with a hardliner who won't support anything the other party wants.

And in some cases it won't matter, Doug in Alabama.

 

[Ferocitus]

Well I posted a thread which had the success rate of revolutions.

I'll have a look at replies to how the authors of the book mentioned in the BBC article regard Sakaashvili, a leader of one of their claimed successful ones.

 

[Arwon]

No one understands what the word "Centrism" means anymore, except for it's actual adherents. It's become an agreed upon form of slander by both the far-left and far-right, who are tearing this world apart and destroying it with their misguided, uniformed, vitriolic, destructive, and inflexible and uncompromising rhetoric and no true productive solutions. Centrists are constantly accused, for convenience of launching falsified political attacks, of standing for things believable to the uneducated, but are not actually what Centrists really believe and stand for.

This is wonderfully funny

 

[Patine]

This is wonderfully funny

I don't see the humour...

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Well of course you wouldn't; you are a centrist.

 

[Arwon]

I don't see the humour...

Trust me that's a big part of it

 

[Patine]

Well of course you wouldn't; you are a centrist.

And you're obviously one of the far-left followers eagerly eating up fallacious and slanderous lies and misinformation about what Centrists believe, and not actually knowing what they do believe, but speaking about Centrists and Centrists with a faux sense of authority based on the falsehoods you've been taught, and thus sounding like a ideological propaganda mouthpiece as opposed to someone who knows what they're talking about. And that attitude you have in common with the far-right you so deplore.

 

[Zardnaar]

And you're obviously one of the far-left followers eagerly eating up fallacious and slanderous lies and misinformation about what Centrists believe, and not actually knowing what they do believe, but speaking about Centrists and Centrists with a faux sense of authority based on the falsehoods you've been taught, and thus sounding like a ideological propaganda mouthpiece as opposed to someone who knows what they're talking about. And that attitude you have in common with the far-right you so deplore.

Stop making sense, it's obvious Clouds in his own bubble.

I always though you were to the left of me, I'm a labour voter the social side of liberialism I'll vote for but it's not a major driving thing for me.

If you fix the economic side if things the social side will follow IMHO.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And you're obviously one of the far-left followers eagerly eating up fallacious and slanderous lies and misinformation about what Centrists believe, and not actually knowing what they do believe, but speaking about Centrists and Centrists with a faux sense of authority based on the falsehoods you've been taught, and thus sounding like a ideological propaganda mouthpiece as opposed to someone who knows what they're talking about. And that attitude you have in common with the far-right you so deplore.

You can collude and enable the right all you want but that doesn't erase your sins against your fellow human beings, which you enable. Your own the neo liberal bs policies that your ilk have disastrously forced upon us, that is yours to own.

 

[Patine]

Stop making sense, it's obvious Clouds in his own bubble.

I always though you were to the left of me, I'm a labour voter the social side of liberialism I'll vote for but it's not a major driving thing for me.

If you fix the economic side if things the social side will follow IMHO.

I'm a social worker, and would like to see social and economic reform, in a classic Social Democratic framework. But I'm not an extremist modern "Progressive," as many of them come across to day, with off-the-wall and unworkable ideas, unrealistic demands that must be met "immediately," their "strange bedfellows" coalition of constituents that will not logically hold together, and ideas that are becoming anti-intellectual, revisionist of history, counter-intuitive, and just of intolerant of questioning, dissent, or proposal of realistic re-evaluation as the far-right extremists they so deplore. The future looks dark indeed, from my perspective, with the rising, and frightening tides, of early 21st Century far-right and far-left thinking becoming ascendant and clashing like tidal waves, with anyone with any sense and perspective caught precariously in the middle.

 

[Patine]

You can collude and enable the right all you want but that doesn't erase your sins against your fellow human beings, which you enable. Your own the neo liberal bs policies that your ilk have disastrously forced upon us, that is yours to own.

Are you accusing me of colluding and enabling the right? Are declaring to me what my socio-political views and priorities are? Are you starting a witch-hunt? Because be warned @Cloud_Strife, if you start a campaign of unfounded slander against me (yes, I said slander, NOT truth, or fact, or reason at all), I will FINISH it! I will no longer tolerate your attempts at character assassination. If you say something about, it had best be verifiably and beyond a shadow-of-a-doubt, true, or I will expose you as the liar you are to all in this forum!

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[Cloud_Strife]

If you don't like it, all you have to do is not be a centrist and not collude and enable the right, be it socially, poltically or economically but I'm guessing you're one of "those" people who refuse to take any responsibility for what their actions and votes lead too, as well as the consequences of their ideology.

Nothing personal Patine, I just want you to be a better person and you can do that by taking my advice.

 

[Patine]

If you don't like it, all you have to do is not be a centrist and not collude and enable the right, be it socially, poltically or economically but I'm guessing you're one of "those" people who refuse to take any responsibility for what their actions and votes lead too, as well as the consequences of their ideology.

Nothing personal Patine, I just want you to be a better person and you can do that by taking my advice.

You obviously have no idea what a Centrist is, but are just, once again, quoting your ideological masters sheepishly and following the socio-political propaganda dictated to you without dissent and, of course, without personal inquiry into the situation. Please, for the sake of not making yourself a fool or a liar, or launching slander, do not use the word "Centrist" again in a manner where you pretend to know what it means, until you actually do know what it means.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

But Patine my friend, I have no ideological masters.

 

[Patine]

But Patine my friend, I have no ideological masters.

Then you have one who'll stop you, or discourage you, from learning the true definition of the word, "Centrist," and using it properly. The second part of my last post stands.

 

[Zardnaar]

But Patine my friend, I have no ideological masters.

You've gone very deep down the far left rabbit hole and you spout a lot of buzzwords.

I voted for the NZ labour party and plan to do so again next year. They are further left than say Elizabeth Warren.

They don't have the votes to get a lot if things them and the green want

If I changed my vote to the greens they still won't have the votes to get everything they want. If I vote further left than the greens it's a wasted vote and 1 in 2 of those votes effectively go to the right. Greens got less than 6% of the vote. In New Zealand one if the most liberal least corrupt politically stable countries in the world

And they actually won an election where the popular vote matters.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

What the christ are you talking about my man? Centrists have no qualms in adopting the same policy exhibited by the right, even if they begrudgingly lean liberal in regards to social issues and if you can't see that then you do not inhabit the same universe, let alone world, as the rest of us.