Obliterate the UN

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by Quagga, Nov 7, 2006.

  1. Quagga

    Quagga Former Dictator

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    Those of you who win in the Ancient Era probably aren't concerned about the UN. I admit a lack of concern when reading about others' distaste for the UN switching them to Environmentalism. (OK, I'm not a sympathetic kind of guy.)

    But now I've been stung and I want you all to rise up with me and demand obliteration of the UN! :mad: The darned thing made me switch out of State Property!

    Does destroying the UN wonder make the UN-mandated civic restrictions go away? Barring that, if/when I become Secretary General, can I mandate State Property?
     
  2. Wodan

    Wodan Deity

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    Don't we wish. Being able to mandate any civic is one of the most ardent desires by me as well as many others.

    Going hand-in-hand with that is the desire to be able to refuse the UN, suffering a diplomatic penalty from those who accept the UN's demands.

    Wodan
     
  3. Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Anarchy!

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    well you can always beeline to the UN, build it and refuse to hold elections...
     
  4. Zalcron

    Zalcron Prince

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    it is a shame the UN,great idea but a pain in the ass in the game. You should be able to ignore resolutions (like Isreal or N Korea) and simply incur a diplomatic penalty or a trade embargo etc, as it stands being forced to adapt resolutions is silly. Also it is too basic, maybe there should be resolutions to end wars or give wealth to poor countries etc, much room for improvement. As it stands i dont have diplomatic victory as a game setting to avoid it all together.
     
  5. ferenginar

    ferenginar Grand Nagus

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    ?? I just built the UN in WOTM2, I haven't been asked to hold elections the first one for secretary general and Catherine won in, from then on I get asked if I want to vote for, against, or abstain.

    I don't like the lack of control. Is this something from Warlords, HOF mod?
     
  6. Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Anarchy!

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    WOTH2? civ4 or warlords?

    if I remember correctly you must not hold any elections not even the first for secretary general, they'll ask if you would like to hold elections this year you select no and it'll ask again at another time and so on and so forth until you finally agree

    I could be wrong however, as it might of been changed
     
  7. drkodos

    drkodos Emperor

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    What then is your strategy when an opponent computer civ gets voted into office?
     
  8. ferenginar

    ferenginar Grand Nagus

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    Warlords (of the month 2), the point is I didn't get asked.
     
  9. Revolutionary

    Revolutionary Anarchy!

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    I usually don't hold the vote, especially if the other civs are more friendly to another large civ than me, which is most of the time due to the aggressive AI option and high difficultly level

    the AI never seems to build the UN before me and besides by the time the UN is built the game has long been decided

    I'm usually the biggest and most powerful by the modern era, so if it ever came down to it I would simply crush the elected AI, burning cities where I see fit :hammer:
     
  10. Manic_

    Manic_ Prince

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    Well the UN kinda works how it works. With potentially powerful Civs being forced into other 'ways' as it were (look at China atm, although happening over years not one turn!).
    Changing from a closed market (like mercantile) to a free market because of other nations influence (perhaps their own civs too).
    I agree that you should be able to 'opt-out' of the UN and not recognise it, but then get a negative attitude penalty from the civs that are in the UN (say -2) and if your in the UN you cannot leave, but if you opt-out you can be asked to join again, say every 15 turns, and each time you refuse its -2 until you join, then the -ve goes away once you join.
    Also the voting for civics options, you should be able to vote for any civic option when say a vote for Gov is selected you can pick HR, US, Rep or PS and not just a 'yes or no' option to one of them.

    Depends what the vote is for. Usually Diplo win wont happen for an AI, as there is a Higher number needed in the voting, and some AI's that voted them into SG wont vote them the win, unless there is a religious monopoly (not usually after Free Religion though).
    If i am not an option in the SG vote, i'll pick my friend (or the one whome i like the most, as usually the other civs wont vote for them if they try diplo win and you can abstain also.
    Sometimes if your not SG you cant stop civics being chosen, i would suggest some easy wars to get your population higher (and anothers lower) taking 3-4 size 7 cities will probably make you the run away leader for votes anyway, build a few more cities in places you usually wouldnt but could grow to 5-6 and just lump the upkeep (although by UN time upkeep isnt a problem).
     
  11. jac0001

    jac0001 Chieftain

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    I love the idea of being able to ingore UN resolution, and have negative relations etc.
    Prehaps take it a step further and have military action eg (strike on a resource or city) if warning are ingorned or leading to full scale war. :)
     
  12. Wodan

    Wodan Deity

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    Funny. That's exactly what happened to me last game, and exactly what I did.

    No, actually, what I did was attack Shaka and completely took him over. (Alex was the one who was voted Secretary.) After that, the votes didn't matter because I got a domination win. I'm sure if the vote came back up I would have been able to vote myself in, if it matters.

    Serves Shaka right for not voting for me anyway. ;)

    Wodan
     
  13. Nilmerf

    Nilmerf Warlord

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    The only use I have for the U.N. is voting myself a diplomatic victory if domination or conquest looks like it isn't going to happen soon, or at all. It's a good defense against A.I. space victory if you're slightly behind in tech and production, and your domination victory has fallen a little short.
     
  14. Revolutionary

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    yes this also works great :goodjob:

    attack civs that didn't vote for you, taking them over, and increasing your voting power :satan:

    isn't it funny how the UN in civ actually helps cause conflict instead of try to prevent them :mischief:
     
  15. xxsyrusvb

    xxsyrusvb Chieftain

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    Is there a mod out there that tweaks the UN such as the ideas on this thread?

    I think someone should make one. I would, but I couldnt program a VCR timer...ok, maybe not that bad. lol.
     
  16. Ben E Gas

    Ben E Gas King

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    VCR? what's that?



    just kidding, I still have one too.
     
  17. Quagga

    Quagga Former Dictator

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    I tried the beeline to UN and don't hold elections approach that one of the first responders suggested. First, you can't not hold elections. It forces repeated elections for Secretary General, which fortunately :eek: I won each time. After that, I repeatedly refused to offer any resolutions (selecting 'none'), which prevented me from having State Property taken away.

    If I hadn't won the elections (usually they don't like me quite so much), this approach would not have worked. They didn't like me enough to give me Diplomatic Victory.

    This was on a watery ice-age map with 2.08. I got ahead in production and research. Decided conquest was going to be too slow on this map; three others were building SS parts. Beelined to Fiber Optics, built the Internet. Got all the techs (except Future Tech). Built Apollo and the Space Elevator. Then built all the spaceship parts in parallel in about 35 turns. This was on Prince as Korea. I've dropped back from Monarch since 2.08.
     

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