Oblivion Threat to 12 000 Species

[Sparrowhawk]

Ah, smalltalk - I can't quite tell whether you are masterfully sarcastic or actually serious. I assume the former, but I'll respond to the latter as it is more fun.

There are two reasons to cease and desist in our destruction of the natural world.

The first argument is that the natural world - the biosphere and its unparalleled diversity - has an intrinsic beauty and value. It exists, it is alive, it is beautiful... what right do we have to destroy it?

Given, however, that humans are prone to selfless behaviour only in the most exceptional of situations, it is fortunate that there is a very selfish reason for humans to preserve the natural environment: Because we are still part of it, and cannot survive without it.

So, to respond:

Nature was created just to be exploited by man. It is a natural right for us humans to trample down everything that is not able to strike back.

a) this is the best argument for fanatical environmental groups I have heard.

and

b) we will trample ourselves in the process

as for

Of course we should take DNA samples before finishing them of

DNA samples can, in theory, create individual creatures completely out of their natural context. The systems that they are part of allow their survival, and are a great part of what gives them their beauty.

Finally, I agree that extinction is a perfectly normal event in the chain of evolution. Humans, on the other hand, are eliminating species in such large numbers that it severly limits the creation of new species in the future.

 

[smalltalk]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
...the biosphere and its unparalleled diversity - has an intrinsic beauty and value.

Yes, Green is a beautiful color.

Especially, when dead presidents are printed in this color. $

Value is measured in hard cash. Biosphere is sold out for next to nothing. Let's grab what we can take, and after us - the great flood.

There have been many catastrophies in the history of life on earth. Remember, when oxygen producing algae emerged: They poisoned the major part of their biosphere.

Don't you take pride in being part and cause of a such a historic event! Our species will be remembered forever, hell, we have an impact like that famous Chicxulub meteor, that killed of that featherless, overgrown chickens.

Sort of an achievment for hairless monkeys to cause a global catastrophy.

And don't forget, if it's not us that will destroy the world, the Chinese or the Russian surely will. Shall we serve as a shining example to the rest of the world and try to save nature's resources? So that at last the greedy would laughs at us idealists? Hell, no, I say use up what we've got, before the rest of the world can get at it.

And don't nobody say, its a bad idea to cut off the branch you're sitting on. Free falling is a wonderfull feeling, especially just before you hit the ground.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

When Almighty God spake those famous words, "Be Fruitful and Multiply", the current human population of the world was TWO.

Don't y'all think we might have overdone it, just a wee bit?

 

[smalltalk]

You know that the growth of the human population is exponential, until a constraint is met.

BTW: the same law applies to a nuclear chain reaction.

So in fact, we are the P-Bomb. The Population Bomb.

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by smalltalk
The Population Bomb

 

[smalltalk]

Didn't know of this book. But I heard the phrase before.

 

[floppa21]

Originally posted by Cactus_Jack



When animals over hunt there prey, and go extinct they got a excuse they are dumb animals they diont know any better. We havent we are going to make the world uninhabitable for ourselfs if we kep what we are doing up. Also even if we could get away with it, it is still wrong.

So when we make the world uninhabitable for ourselves, we have no 'dumb animal' excuse for ourselves? I beg to differ. You reap what you sow.

 

[smalltalk]

Now this, for once, is not a joke:

Mankind behaves like someone who wants to get a nice tan quickly.

We are sitting in the sun for an hour, for two hours. Our skin fells hot. We sit for another hour. Our skin starts to itch. Be we say, oh wait, another half an hour will do no harm.

About the dumb animals: We have not yet proved to be intelligent enough to life on this planet for millenias as a technical civilization. We just weren't able to do great harm back in 1 AD or 1000 AD. But this has changed. Future will show, I guess we will know around 2050, how things turn out.

In the meantime, I can translate "Homo sapiens sapiens" only into "the Man that thinks that he thinks"

 

[Cactus_Jack]

Originally posted by smalltalk
Now this, for once, is not a joke:

Mankind behaves like someone who wants to get a nice tan quickly.

We are sitting in the sun for an hour, for two hours. Our skin fells hot. We sit for another hour. Our skin starts to itch. Be we say, oh wait, another half an hour will do no harm.

About the dumb animals: We have not yet proved to be intelligent enough to life on this planet for millenias as a technical civilization. We just weren't able to do great harm back in 1 AD or 1000 AD. But this has changed. Future will show, I guess we will know around 2050, how things turn out.

In the meantime, I can translate "Homo sapiens sapiens" only into "the Man that thinks that he thinks"

We are in theory clever enough to not explot our environment untill we kill it off, but greedy capitalists dont give a damn about the furutre only short term profit. We are in fact behaving worse than any animal, we are going out of our way to kill ourselfs off on purpose, i dont know any species that has done that before, but why should we care only our children will have to suffer this not us we should be dead long before it happens.

 

[thestonesfan]

I always laugh when I see the words 'greedy capitalists'. Like they are some kind of demographic spawned from satan.

 

[Cactus_Jack]

Originally posted by thestonesfan


I always laugh when I see the words 'greedy capitalists'. Like they are some kind of demographic spawned from satan.

Laugh all you want but they control the media cuase they own it. They own the president. They vilotate human rights in third word countrys. They are profiting from the war in iraq. They will use the worlds resources up and cuase global warming? What do you think is cuasing this? Its the drive for massive profits thats what.

 

[floppa21]

But YOU Cactus Jack, yes YOU, can put a stop to it.

Vote anything on whatever! Yay 2004!

 

[thestonesfan]

What do you think caused the computer you're polluting the internet with? Goodwill towards man?