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OCC Club Mk 3 Game 1: Suleiman

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by happyturtle, Jun 9, 2012.

  1. Silverbow

    Silverbow Prince

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    Spoiler :
    Second warrior? The first military unit I built was a marine :D
     
  2. cas

    cas Emperor

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    Messed around with a 2nd attempt after thinking about VoiceOfUnreason's post.

    Spoiler :

    noble, normal. 1840BC CS sling was possible. I think on emporer, maybe 1800BC.

    Tech path: pottery-mining-writing-myst-mason-med-priest-CoL(2080BC)-math(1880BC)-CS (Oracle)-Alphabet-some traded techs including BW/Poly-Aesthetics-literature-paper-edu (1GS bulb). Emporer might get lucky and one of the AI researches Alphabet for you.

    worker actions to Oracle:
    farm corn, mine gold, cottage north fp, worker has 2 turns before masonary is completed, so I moved 2S and did 1 turn of cottage on 2nd fp. Once masonary is complete, improve marble and finish 2nd fp cottage. then roads toward Justin.


    Build order: worker-warrior-warrior-library-warrior-Oracle/worker...then on to GLib/NE/Pyramids/Oxford/monastaries/etc. Had to delay Oracle while I finished math. Want a 2nd worker for quicker chops. I think the Pyramids finished around 950BC. I finished GLib first since it was noble...would have finished Mids first on higher level. I ended up chopping all the forests as a test, but I think it would be better to leave 4 for health reasons.

    On higher diff levels the warriors are needed for fogbusting. On noble, one goes counter-clockwise and the other clockwise around the lake so you meet all the AI by the time you have Alphabet.

    I played up to Lib->Bio sling around 560AD. Very powerful. Should work up to emporer diff. I did get lucky on a couple of GS with about 60% odds rather than prophets/GE/GA.



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  3. VoiceOfUnreason

    VoiceOfUnreason Deity

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    @cas

    Spoiler :
    I had looked at that, and decided that trying to calculate cottage vs farm was too complicated; did you also get your Academy built in this window?

    My intuition is to keep all of the BFC forests - it's a long long way to Genetics, which raises the opportunity cost of short term tradeoffs. Bulbling likewise. Not relevant if your main trump is a different victory condition.

    Thus, the natural point to train a second worker seems to be during the run to Scientific Method.

     
  4. cas

    cas Emperor

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    @VoU

    Spoiler :

    Academy came in during CoL research...early to middle if I remember correctly.

    Need the 2nd cottage for 1-2 turns instead of working corn to get the last few beakers for 1840BC versus 1800BC Oracle->CS sling assuming pop6, but I did farm both fp later.

    Keeping all the forests is not best, IMHO. Yes, it is shorter-term gain to chop, but you get faster Mids/GLib/NE/Uni/Oxford...etc. Those things add up.

    However, I'm not sure if it offsets the hit to health and beats NP/forest preserves. I always go NP/forest preserves so I was trying something different to compare.

    I'm not much for calculating into the future turns. I just play by experience and what seems best...which always leaves room for improvement, of course. Sometimes major improvement. :p

    If I played this again, I would chop the green forests and farm those. And leave the plains forests. Try to get the preserves on the plains forests to fill in the green tiles after Bio/NP.

    Not sure I can stand another noble run-through though. Maybe Emporer so I can compare my original game against it.



    cas
     
  5. obsolete

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    Strangely, I have NEVER played a OCC. So gave it a try. Tried on immortal because I wasn't sure what to expect (like accidently autorazing cities I wanted to capture), and I don't like this leader.
    Spoiler :





     
  6. cripp7

    cripp7 Playin' Bored

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    has anyone tried this on quick speed?
     

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