Office of the Judiciary - Term 4

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Absolutely, yes. Any citizen can request a Judicial Review at any time.

The scenario you propose is quite likely, in my opinion. However, investigation is a completely mechanical process for the Judge Advocate unless the accuser wishes to remain anonymous. I would simply be reporting, not prosecuting. In deference to the possibility of an appearance of bias, I will abstain from commenting during the investigation. I will respond to direct questions but will do so impartially and neutrally.
 
So I take it I should start the review of the aforementioned change? If that is what is needed then I'll do it sometime later today.

For what it's worth I hope that the above scenario does not occur - I don't want to be put in the position of having to defend Shaitan against himself! :D
 
Eklektikos - Yes, you should review the proposed Standard now. it won't be complete until Bill gets back but your judgement may affect Chieftess's actions when the Standard is passed. Don't worry, if there's an investigation it won't be me on the block. In the scenario we're discussing it would be Chieftess (which is why your judgement may affect her actions. ;) )
 
I'm a bit confused here. I thought the proposed change (absenteeism..) would allow me to appoint a new posistion if they haven't been on the forum X number of days...
 
Exactly correct, Chieftess. Donsig's concern is that the Standard will not be Constitutional so even though you follow the Standard correctly it will be a violation of the Constitution. PM to follow - I am attempting to not vocally support any position on the Forum to avoid influencing the decisions of the other justices.
 
This is where it gets good...
 
I have returned from my trip and will now reassume my duties from Shaitan.

Bill
 
Welcome back Bill_in_PDX.
 
Judge Advocate Review - Proposed Change to Code of Standards - Section J

Absentee Leader

In accordance with Section E, Point 6, multiple subsections, of the Phoenatican Code of Laws, I submit the Judge Advocate review of this proposal, already reviewed and approved by a majority of the Council in this thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=383396#post383396

Findings: The JA office has determined that this change would not be a violation of the Consitution, section G, or any other section of that document.

Therefore I cast my vote in favor of maintaining the approved Standard.

Explaination: I find great merit in many of the arguments against this measure posed in the threads, especially those made by our esteemed former President. I will post my opinion on such interpretation below.

To the specific matter posed here though, that being, can this Standard, as apporved by a overwhelming Council vote, be found Constitutional. I have to say yes.

It is my opinion that Section G of the constitution relates to the constitutional requirement to hold elections every thirty days, and to protect that requirement by making it nearly impossible for a renegade President or Council to change those terms.

I do not find any way to interpret that section within the whole of the constitution as a binding contact that guarentees an individual their month of service. We have always intended this new Constitution to provide general guidelines and protections that are then clarified through laws and standards, this measure was a valid method of doing so.

Therefore I feel it is well within the bounds of our laws to allow the government to further define the manner in which positions can be declared vacant, and the manner in which that issue is handled.

Other Comments : All of that being said, I would have voted against the change in a council vote had I held an office that could vote.

I feel that the impeachment rule should be used to either prompt a resignation or actual eviction. I would also have prefered wording that required a impeachment in all cases involving an actual council member.

However, I am opposed to legislating from the bench in real life and in forums, and the change as worded does not provide me with the latitude to "interpret it" in the manner I like, so I will not attempt to modify this change further via the bench. I hope that concerned citizens will use their strong powers to do so should they be so inclined.

Finally, I had ceded my power to the Chief Justice during my planned six day absence, so this office was not abandoned during that timeframe. I thank Shaitan for allowing me my cut on this matter, and apologize to all for the delay.

Bill
 
Well, that is that however I am disappointed that the judicial reviews offered to not touch on the fair trial aspect.

It has occurred to me that the new standard basically only applies to governors as other leaders have deputies to fill in during absences. I think we should re-open the discussion about having deputy governors. My internet access from home is limited now so I'll begin a discussion thread on this in a few days - unless someone else thinkns the idea has merit and wants to open a thread about it. :)
 
Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
Finally, I had ceded my power to the Chief Justice during my planned six day absence, so this office was not abandoned during that timeframe. I thank Shaitan for allowing me my cut on this matter, and apologize to all for the delay.

Bill [/B]

Any comments I made about your absence Bill were not meant to disparage you Bill. I was only trying to point out that if we can survive absences where we are notified of it we should be able to survive them when the official goes MIA. :)
 
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Any comments I made about your absence Bill were not meant to disparage you Bill. I was only trying to point out that if we can survive absences where we are notified of it we should be able to survive them when the official goes MIA. :)

No problem :D

I knew you had probably read my notice on this earlier.

As to your other comment. I agree, this is probably always going to be a govenor only issue, and as I noted, I don't completely agree with the Standard, however, as to the question posed to me in my "official" role, I felt the correct answer was to allow the standard to stand...no pun intended...

Bill
 
The Domestic Department seeks advice from the Office of the Judiciary on matters concerning Constitutional justification and/or requirement of Council Votes for radification of Departmental affairs which have the scope and depth to effect the Nation as a whole.

Two citizen approval polls have just concluded dealing with matters of the Domestic Department. One was for the citizens choice of a new Census Director and one for the creation of a National Park System (with an accompanying Park Service) in this Nation of Phoenatica. As niether the positions nor the entity are matters referred to in the Constitution, COL, or COS, I come to you for advice on how ewxactly to approach the situation of approving the results of both polls.

The question is do either or both of these matters require Council approval by means of a Council Vote? To help clarify the matter somewhat, the Phoenatica National Park System (PNPS) would be a division under the wing of the Domestic Department. The Census Bureau has (as far as I'm aware) always fallen under the jurisdiction of the Domestic Department. Both have far reaching responsibilities and privilege, to the extent of being Nation-wide.

The poll for the PNPS is here.

The poll for the Census Director/Officer is here.

Any light this Office may shed on the situation at hand would be greatly appreciated.

Cyc
Domestic Leader
 
No Council vote is required. Both of these offices are "grey" and exist outside of the scope of our laws. The Census bureau especially has no direct impact on the form or functionality of the government or its citizens. The National Park System will likely come to a head against the existing laws as it attempts to regulate city and tile improvements and these are the responsibility of governors and various leaders.

In any case, this would require Legislative (citizen) action versus Executive (council) action as the rules in question are in the COL, not the COS.
 
So i propose a ammendment to the constitution. A law allowing us to found national parks with the described rules.
Who would be in charge of bringing up such an ammendment?
 
the blue mountain national park can be implemented anyways immediately, as all affected governors complied (mayors are no constitutional positions. their rights are mentioned nowhere).
the domestic leader also complied.
 
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