SkippyT
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Hello folks.
I've been thinking about making a thread about this issue for quite some time and I've finally decided to do it.
In the current game we have a civilization called "Viking empire". I know it's been brought up many times to change Vikings to Scandinavia, and it was done in Civ III and made me really happy.
I just don't understand why it has to be a Viking civilization! The Viking period was just the golden age of Scandinavia, from around 750-1000. And that is how long this "civilization" lasted. Obviously the Vikings were great, and they are really cool and people want to play a man with a horned helmet called Ragnar Lodbrok (Ragnar Hairypants) and have crazy warriors called Berserkers. To be honest, it's just plain silly.
My personal wish would be a Scandinavian civilization: Representation to Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Iceland (like the Vikings do) for more than just 250 years!! I would want to have two leaders for that civ: One Viking leader and one Scandinavian (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian or Icelandic).
There's a bunch of awesome leaders for a Scandinavian civ:
Margaret I the Great, Danish - leader of all Scandinavia
My preferred list of leaders:
1. Margaret I (Org/Cha)
2. Canute the Great (Spi/Agg)
3. Gustavus Adolphus (Imp/Spi)
4. Egill Skallagrímsson (Cre/Agg)
5. Ragnar Lodbrok (Agg/Fin)
6. Swein Forkbeird (Agg/Exp)
7. Leif Ericson (Exp/Fin)
8. Harald Hardrada (Fin/Agg)
9. Eric the Red (Exp/Fin)
People might want Sweden and Denmark separatly. I'd put Denmark ahead of Sweden because it had much more influence on the world than Sweden. Although Sweden was a great power at a certain time, Denmark was more of a power at their time. But it's highly unlikely that either of them will make the cut because separated they are not major.
A single Scandinavian civilization would be so awesome. The history of Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland..all together.
We would have Denmark, who conquered England, the Netherlands and was a major factor in conquering France and founding Normandy, center of the Vikings, has given us HC Andersen, Tivoli and it was the first country to legalize porn!
Sweden, settled a great part of Russia and founded both Novgorod (Holmgård) and Kiev (Kjonugård), center of Norse religion, has given us Carl von Linné, Alfred Nobel, Greta Garbo, Abba etc etc.
Norway, cradle of the Vikings, discovered the most beautiful and the best country in the world Iceland, is today the "best country": the richest, best to live in, most peaceful and so on.
Iceland, without this magnificent country we wouldn't even know about the Vikings, explored Greenland and Canada and settled there first of all white people. Is today the runner-up for the "best" country in the world and boasts the most beautiful women in the world.
On the downside, Swedes would not like to be called Norwegians and Icelanders not Danes. But if we just put that behind us, we can see that we have so much more in common than we have different. Religion, language, culture and history.
I've seen someone suggest a Kalmar empire. I think that would be the same rubbish as a Viking empire. It would only be a short period in the long history of the region.
So I say..Scandinavian empire all the way! I can't believe they're putting in the HRE but neglecting this. Having that is like having Vikings and Scandinavia. HRE was a period in German history, and the Vikings were a short period in Scandinavian history.
This must be changed in BtS! I realise it might have been cool to have Vikings in warlords, because they were so aggressive and all. But now let's just wake up and add Margaret I as a leader. Ragnar would be a below average representation of the Vikings, but that's Okay. He's in and won't be taken out.
I've been thinking about making a thread about this issue for quite some time and I've finally decided to do it.
In the current game we have a civilization called "Viking empire". I know it's been brought up many times to change Vikings to Scandinavia, and it was done in Civ III and made me really happy.
I just don't understand why it has to be a Viking civilization! The Viking period was just the golden age of Scandinavia, from around 750-1000. And that is how long this "civilization" lasted. Obviously the Vikings were great, and they are really cool and people want to play a man with a horned helmet called Ragnar Lodbrok (Ragnar Hairypants) and have crazy warriors called Berserkers. To be honest, it's just plain silly.
My personal wish would be a Scandinavian civilization: Representation to Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Iceland (like the Vikings do) for more than just 250 years!! I would want to have two leaders for that civ: One Viking leader and one Scandinavian (Swedish, Danish, Norwegian or Icelandic).
There's a bunch of awesome leaders for a Scandinavian civ:
Margaret I the Great, Danish - leader of all Scandinavia
Gustavus II Adolphus, Swedish
Canute the Great, Danish - Viking
Harald Hardrada, Norwegian - Viking
Egill Skallagrimsson, Icelandic - Viking
Leif Ericson, Icelandic, peaceful Viking
My preferred list of leaders:
1. Margaret I (Org/Cha)
2. Canute the Great (Spi/Agg)
3. Gustavus Adolphus (Imp/Spi)
4. Egill Skallagrímsson (Cre/Agg)
5. Ragnar Lodbrok (Agg/Fin)
6. Swein Forkbeird (Agg/Exp)
7. Leif Ericson (Exp/Fin)
8. Harald Hardrada (Fin/Agg)
9. Eric the Red (Exp/Fin)
People might want Sweden and Denmark separatly. I'd put Denmark ahead of Sweden because it had much more influence on the world than Sweden. Although Sweden was a great power at a certain time, Denmark was more of a power at their time. But it's highly unlikely that either of them will make the cut because separated they are not major.
A single Scandinavian civilization would be so awesome. The history of Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Iceland..all together.
We would have Denmark, who conquered England, the Netherlands and was a major factor in conquering France and founding Normandy, center of the Vikings, has given us HC Andersen, Tivoli and it was the first country to legalize porn!
Sweden, settled a great part of Russia and founded both Novgorod (Holmgård) and Kiev (Kjonugård), center of Norse religion, has given us Carl von Linné, Alfred Nobel, Greta Garbo, Abba etc etc.
Norway, cradle of the Vikings, discovered the most beautiful and the best country in the world Iceland, is today the "best country": the richest, best to live in, most peaceful and so on.
Iceland, without this magnificent country we wouldn't even know about the Vikings, explored Greenland and Canada and settled there first of all white people. Is today the runner-up for the "best" country in the world and boasts the most beautiful women in the world.
On the downside, Swedes would not like to be called Norwegians and Icelanders not Danes. But if we just put that behind us, we can see that we have so much more in common than we have different. Religion, language, culture and history.
I've seen someone suggest a Kalmar empire. I think that would be the same rubbish as a Viking empire. It would only be a short period in the long history of the region.
So I say..Scandinavian empire all the way! I can't believe they're putting in the HRE but neglecting this. Having that is like having Vikings and Scandinavia. HRE was a period in German history, and the Vikings were a short period in Scandinavian history.
This must be changed in BtS! I realise it might have been cool to have Vikings in warlords, because they were so aggressive and all. But now let's just wake up and add Margaret I as a leader. Ragnar would be a below average representation of the Vikings, but that's Okay. He's in and won't be taken out.
