One more time... The Forbidden Palace.

[Sir Donald III]

Back at the start of our Golden Age, I put up a poll to determine the location of the Forbidden Palace. The Winner was Veii, which was in Iroquois hands.

Then, after many polls favoring war with the Iros, a poll that opposed War stood as the final verdict.

So, based on this reality, I made a second poll, in which Odawara won.

Now, however, the Iroquois have decided to attack us, with Odawara 1 turn away from completing the FP.

Therefore, this poll shall help determine (along with the geopolifical situation) once and for all, where we will (or whether we should) build the Forbidden Palace.

The options for Odawara and Veii require only a Plurality, as these were winners of previous polls.

The "Don't Build At All" is a "Veto" option, requiring at least 50% of the vote.

If, however, the sum of the "Move the FP to _____" options exceeds 50% of the vote, the FP will be moved to the winner among those options. Veii is not considered for this group.

Poll for 48 Hours, so I can relay the Results to the next TCIT.

 

[Crimso]

You have made a crucial mistake.

Edit: Fixed

 

[Sir Donald III]

Matters of War can override the Will of the People if a Minister can judge it to be so. The reason I suffered to change the location from veii in the first place was because the People did not want to war with the Iroquois.

Since the Iros want to war with us now, it is time to reconsider that decision.

Note also that the "Move To" options, other than Veii must combine for 50% of the vote in order fo any one of these to be valid.

Also, I will be making requests to preserve Odawara's shield count in case it does not hold the FP. I just met this guy named Issac and he has a few crazy ideas.

 

[Provolution]

I prefer Complexity, Audacity, Velocity and Explicity (CAVE) to Simplicity, Complicity, Animosity, Lucidity and Perversity (SCALP)

 

[invy]

Voted Other!

I'm suggesting Pisae to build Forbidden Palace. It has central southern position, population of 7, little less corruption then Veii (it will build FP faster), better terrain (more hills = more shields) and it will allow good expansion plans versus Babilonians.

 

[Epimethius]

What?! What?! NO! HOW DARE YOU! MY PALACE!

Seriously, even if we do conquer Veii, it will not be in any shape for a palace. I'd be it would take eighty turns to build a temple.

 

[Cyc]

Veii is still the best centrally located city in the South. We could even build an additional city SE of Ellipi to capitalize of the FP's greatness.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Odawara gives the best combination of current productivity against eventual double radius. Of course, this is my vote as a citizen who has no desire for continental conquest. The site in Odawara is more than sufficient for our future needs, and will be built more quickly to boot.

Also, the Odawara site will be more beneficial for claiming any objective Zulu cities should that nation become hostile.

 

[Chieftess]

What?! What?! NO! HOW DARE YOU! MY PALACE!

Seriously, even if we do conquer Veii, it will not be in any shape for a palace. I'd be it would take eighty turns to build a temple.

Rushed Courthouse + Rushed Market + Rushed Temple + Rushed Aqueduct = 1 happy city! (Plus a few foriegn workers). That might get it into the 5-10spt range.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Rushed Courthouse + Rushed Market + Rushed Temple + Rushed Aqueduct = 1 happy city! (Plus a few foriegn workers). That might get it into the 5-10spt range.

Sounds like quite an investment, or is it just plain porkbarrel waste? And we still don't even lay claim to Veii!

Now I know Odawara is the right choice. Thanks CT!

 

[Chieftess]

Well, in DG1, we had to build a courthouse and other stuff in Thebes (or was it Mephis?) before building the FP... The most important thing would be the courthouse.

 

[TimBentley]

If you want a city that can build the forbidden palace in a reasonable amount of time, yet still helps the Iroquois territory more, consider Doomsville.

Another interesting possibility is prolonging the build until the war is over so we could more accurately predict the effect of building the FP in the various cities (in other words, so I can use exact numbers in figuring out the corruption effects of the FP).

 

[Donovan Zoi]

We are still counting our chickens before they hatch, CT. What if the Iroquois don't[/b] declare war? Are we going to discard our honor to justify yet another premature poll?

We corrected a mistake already. Let us leave the FP in Odawara, and get our FP up and running next turn. Doing so will give us immediate dominace in the region --- no uncertainty; no wasteful spending.

EDIT: Thouoghly read first post. Why drop the FP when it will be complete next turn????!!!!

 

[Sir Donald III]

I guess I should've made clear my throught process.

While Hiawatha has not yet declared war, the fact that his forces are moving through our territory, AND the fact that a galley of his has invaded out waters time and again, even when the DP specifically asked it to leave, lead me to believe that war was imminent.

The Poll which Odawara won was contingent upon the fact that there was not going to be War with the Iros. But that fact is now being challenged, not by the People, but by the Iroquois.

Admitidelly, I may have rushed things a bit, considering that the only thing that can be affected that very turn is Odawara's build. (And another of our own city's.) But what has been done has been done.

which brings me to why I'm running for President in the first place. Because of both TC Schedule pressures and RL Work Times, I had to make this poll on Thursday or else risk it being only 24 Hours. If I were to drop the two polls now, it would only be in the nick of time.

That having been said, I will be adding this instruction to the TC:

If Hiawatha does NOT declare war on us by the end of Turn 7, OR if Hiawatha backs down (when asked) when his forces are 1 turn from attacking a city, (and if Palace is the winner of the other poll, dependant on that other poll,) then switch Odawara from Palace back to the FP.

The only loss there is 7 turns of a Pre-Build (max), since if this happens, we would not be going to War.

 

[Epimethius]

There is no reason to do anything to production of the palace. And as mayor, I command that construction continue for the one turn, rather than wasting time and money so we can build it in a city we just destroyed (which will take around 90 turns versus Odawara's ONE). Seriously, Veii? We don't have it now, and the chances of our getting it quick enough to justify this are small. When we do, building the palace will be a hideous waste of time and money. And then, we'll have a palace in the corner, when currently we have one in the center of the continent, where it can help fight corruption in any future Zulu or French territories. Odawara is also in the center of a massive industrial belt, that would be even more productive if it had the palace.

As mayor, I hereby decree that production will proceed for the next turn, since there is no immediate threat during its construction, and since stoping it in no way helps the situation. There is no reason to repoll this, and I consider the poll void.

 

[invy]

MODS: switch my vote to Odawara please! I don't want Palace in Veii.

Moderator Action: Vote Changed.

 

[TimBentley]

Doomsville is, at the current state, almost as helpful as Odawara in reducing corruption. It will be more helpful with the new Iroquois cities and the cities that are still growing. And it won't take 90 turns to build the FP.

 

[Epimethius]

It won't take one turn, either.

Seriously, folks. This is one turn. That's before the Iroquois even declare war. We're talking about canceling the ribbon cutting and abandoning a finished product here.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

The only loss there is 7 turns of a Pre-Build (max), since if this happens, we would not be going to War.

So we are now planning to waste 7 turns of production, as well as 7 turns of decreased corruption, in the hopes that the Iroquois will declare war?

And if the Iroquois do declare war, the loss of commerce and production to corruption would be even worse. This is beacuse we would have to wait far more than 7 turns for a new FP to be built.

And what a sad irony if the Veii contingent wins but we didn't get a chance to capture the city. A misguided vote here would ensure that we put far too much trust in the sword, and have no intention of being the honorable nation I had once dreamed about. Too bad for us........

 

[Provolution]

Donovan Zoi

Read my signature and you understand my philosophy, I feel like Wolf in the Jimmy Situation coming to clean up the mess. I will deliver the Roman cities and MC.
Anyways, we are honorable, as we only penalize attacking nations.