Open-ended vs. Linear games
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I found Morrowind to have a more focused setting and more believable world. The gameplay and interface of Oblivion is an improvement on that of Morrowind, but sadly, for me, Morrowind gives me slightly better memories.
I still am trying to find what it is exactly about Oblivion's province and its rendition that doesn't click as well for me as that of Morrowind. Morrowind felt really remote and somehow the characters less contrived. The main story was a lot less annoying too.
I am unsure of how you will feel though, having played Oblivion first, you'd need to expect a few annoying things from the slightly more archaic interface.
Oblivion was absolutely awesome and it's only competitor is Morrowind
Oblivion's leveling system is a blessing and a curse, the monster stay competitive with you (Most like, some dislike) however with a little bit of planning say 20 minutes, you can figure out how to even the odds considerably
Oblivion's leveling system is a blessing and a curse, the monster stay competitive with you (Most like, some dislike) however with a little bit of planning say 20 minutes, you can figure out how to even the odds considerably
Wow, will you be the first person I ever talk to who likes the monster-leveling system of Oblivion? I quickly modded the game to reduce the extent of it.
I'd much rather have a game where the world is built in a way that says "yes, if you go there at the beginning, you will die". It's the game's developers job, or next challenge, to figure out a way to have an open-ended game world where they don't use the cheesy vanilla Oblivion system.
Fallout 3 was a step in the right direction, as monsters do level with you in many places, but there are many other places where they remain the same.
In theory, a diverse and heterogeneous game world would have enough zones to offer a variety of places to go, whatever the level of your character may be, and yet retain relatively stable encounters in these places, unless some event in the game justifies the change. Oblivion gates were also cheesy. Most games I play these days I completely ignore the main quest in Oblivion.
EDIT: don't get me wrong, I played a whole lot of Oblivion, in retrospect though, I think my experience with Morrowind back in 2003 was more enjoyable.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
No, most dislike, few like.
Harbringer
Your A One Flower Garden
Enough of the other positives in Oblivion kept me from hating the leveling system out rite, although I think Morrowind nailed it perfect, and Fallout 3 was easy period.
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Starting Attributes Major Skills Minor Skills
Strength 40 Blade 30 Armorer 10
Intelligence 55 Block 30 Athletics 10
Willpower 55 Blunt 30 Heavy Armor10
Agility 30 Hand2Hand 30 Alchemy 10
Speed 30 Destruction 25 Alteration 10
Endurance 35 Restoration 35 Conjuration 15
Personality 40 Marksman 25 Illusion 10
Luck 50 Mysticism15
Acrobatics 5
Light Armor 5
Mercantile 5
Security 5
Sneak 5
Speechcraft5
Attributes in order of importance
Edurance, Intelligence, Willpower, Strength, Agility, Speed and Personality.
Level 2 - +10 Restoration (45) +5 Willpower (60)
+10 Conjuration (25) +5 Intelligence (60)
+10 Heavy Armor (20) +5 Endurance (45)
Level 3 - +10 Restoration (55) +5 Willpower (65)
+10 Conjuration (35) +5 Intelligence (65)
+10 Heavy Armor (30) +5 Endurance (50)
Level 4 - +10 Restoration (65) +5 Willpower (70)
+10 Conjuration (45) +5 Intelligence (70)
+10 Heavy Armor (40) +5 Endurance (55)
Level 5 - +10 Restoration (75) +5 Willpower (75)
+10 Conjuration (55) +5 Intelligence (75)
+10 Heavy Armor (50) +5 Endurance (60)
Level 6 - +10 Restoration (85) +5 Willpower (80)
+10 Conjuration (65) +5 Intelligence (80)
+10 Heavy Armor (60) +5 Endurance (65)
Level 7 - +10 Restoration (85) +5 Willpower (85)
+10 Conjuration (75) +5 Intelligence (85)
+10 Heavy Armor (70) +5 Endurance (70)
Level 8 - +10 Restoration (95) +5 Willpower (90)
+10 Conjuration (75) +5 Intelligence (90)
+10 Heavy Armor (80) +5 Endurance (75)
Level 9 - +5 Restoration (100) +5 Willpower (95)
+5 Destructions (30)
+10 Conjuration (85) +5 Intelligence (95)
+10 Heavy Armor (90) +5 Endurance (80)
Level 10 - +10 Destruction (40) +5 Willpower (100)
+10 Conjuration (95) +5 Intelligence (100)
+10 Heavy Armor (100) +5 Endurance (85)
then stop leveling
EDIT, Damn server is being a jerk, search [K0003] at http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/924363/42572
Starting Attributes Major Skills Minor Skills
Strength 40 Blade 30 Armorer 10
Intelligence 55 Block 30 Athletics 10
Willpower 55 Blunt 30 Heavy Armor10
Agility 30 Hand2Hand 30 Alchemy 10
Speed 30 Destruction 25 Alteration 10
Endurance 35 Restoration 35 Conjuration 15
Personality 40 Marksman 25 Illusion 10
Luck 50 Mysticism15
Acrobatics 5
Light Armor 5
Mercantile 5
Security 5
Sneak 5
Speechcraft5
Attributes in order of importance
Edurance, Intelligence, Willpower, Strength, Agility, Speed and Personality.
Level 2 - +10 Restoration (45) +5 Willpower (60)
+10 Conjuration (25) +5 Intelligence (60)
+10 Heavy Armor (20) +5 Endurance (45)
Level 3 - +10 Restoration (55) +5 Willpower (65)
+10 Conjuration (35) +5 Intelligence (65)
+10 Heavy Armor (30) +5 Endurance (50)
Level 4 - +10 Restoration (65) +5 Willpower (70)
+10 Conjuration (45) +5 Intelligence (70)
+10 Heavy Armor (40) +5 Endurance (55)
Level 5 - +10 Restoration (75) +5 Willpower (75)
+10 Conjuration (55) +5 Intelligence (75)
+10 Heavy Armor (50) +5 Endurance (60)
Level 6 - +10 Restoration (85) +5 Willpower (80)
+10 Conjuration (65) +5 Intelligence (80)
+10 Heavy Armor (60) +5 Endurance (65)
Level 7 - +10 Restoration (85) +5 Willpower (85)
+10 Conjuration (75) +5 Intelligence (85)
+10 Heavy Armor (70) +5 Endurance (70)
Level 8 - +10 Restoration (95) +5 Willpower (90)
+10 Conjuration (75) +5 Intelligence (90)
+10 Heavy Armor (80) +5 Endurance (75)
Level 9 - +5 Restoration (100) +5 Willpower (95)
+5 Destructions (30)
+10 Conjuration (85) +5 Intelligence (95)
+10 Heavy Armor (90) +5 Endurance (80)
Level 10 - +10 Destruction (40) +5 Willpower (100)
+10 Conjuration (95) +5 Intelligence (100)
+10 Heavy Armor (100) +5 Endurance (85)
then stop leveling
EDIT, Damn server is being a jerk, search [K0003] at http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/924363/42572
Oblivion's leveling system was a menace, because I'd get obsessed with trying to level efficiently - i.e. learning only right skills, trying to avoid "wasting" skill points etc etc...
Making sure you'd level the right skills in order to get these +5 attributes...
There were things in this game that justified making sure you didn't level up as fast as you could sometimes. Making sure you didn't go to bed, etc. It was counter intuitive at many times. There are different ways for a character building system to be complex AND rewarding, this was only complex and counter-intuitive. Like a school project or something. At least there were mods.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
It's a ROLE PLAYING GAME not a POWER GAMING I MUST HAVE TEH BIGGEST DICK OF DOOM+9999.
And maybe amongst your group of friends it's not disliked but pretty much most of the discussions on the web i've seen plus the dozens of mods replacing it indicate that most people hate it.
And that's why Oblivion's leveling system sucks. Have fun sitting in some corner spamming restoration for hours while rats slowly chew your heavy armor
Ye I like fun games to.
Fetus4188
Deity
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Here in California it is most hated. Cyrodil is an empty, dead world, that's the typical trade off going open-ended.
Well, it was a little drab, but maybe not that excessively drab. Morrowind was also an empty dead world, but I guess in that game it actually fitted the atmosphere, geographic location and story.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
I don't see it as a cost of open endedness, i see it as a cost of devs not taknig enough tiem to fill it!
Someone needs to figure out the AI and mdoels and animations for all the little creatures, that is what is always missing.
Someone needs to figure out the AI and mdoels and animations for all the little creatures, that is what is always missing.
The hours I spent hacking at those hapless Everscamps...
aimeeandbeatles
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There's also another game I forgot to mention -- I've seen it several times, especially in cheap horse games. Where you're given "missions," but there's really no time limit between them, so you can do whatever you want in-between.
In one of these games, I remember that they would have a "week". and on certain days of the week somebody would call you or something, and you'd have to do the mission.
In one of these games, I remember that they would have a "week". and on certain days of the week somebody would call you or something, and you'd have to do the mission.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
The hours I spent hacking at those hapless Everscamps...
Everscamps?
