Open Role Play Challenge: Atlantis!

[MadmanAtW]

I decided to get in on this and play my first RPC. Playing Monarch/Epic.

Spoiler :

We've all seen the start, now:

Opening tech path was Fishing->Animal Husbandry->Pottery->Mining->Writing->BW

Turns out I should have put Pottery at the end of that- I didn't wind up building granaries or cottages until after BW anyway.

Opening build path was
Worker until Fishing was done, switch to Work Boat, finish Worker, Settler

I'll skip the "got a tech" screenshots.

The whole island.
Then with dotmaps:

Dropped my second city just down the coast. Since there's no need to fight for blocking spots I can settle tight to reduce early maintenance issues.

Long story short, I dropped my 7th city and stopped for now- I'm making use of most of the good tiles. Filling in what gaps remain can wait a bit:

Unfortunately, Bad-Whatever up in the NE corner I accidentally placed in the wrong spot. Probably fine, but I had originally meant to drop it 1NW from there.

Map with dots for the 2 additional city placements (really only getting 2 more cities on the assumption of going for culture):

And my stopping point:

Snagged Shwadegon Paya because I had gold so what the hell, it's a 10% research boost even when I have no religions; saved after finishing the Great Library. Working on the Parthenon but on the assumption that it'll be a source of gold more likely than not. Got the Great Artist from Music, saving him for a golden age probably, though might want to settle him if I decide I'm definitely going culture.

The rest of my tech path was, after BW:
IW (no reason to go for trade bait, wanted to make sure I wasn't going to settle on top of iron) -> Math (finished just in time for my first chops) -> Sailing -> Currency -> Aesthetics -> Myst -> Med (start Paya) -> Poly -> Literature (start GLib) -> Music

next up Calendar, then probably Monarchy for more happy and the naval tech path.

 

[MadmanAtW]

Hmm. Forgot I was the Civ that gets Ziggurats, until I got Priesthood on my way to Monarchy. Oops. Also, settled a GS, which may have been contrary to the stated goal of going for Culture. It's early yet, so more science is good, but presumably eventually I'll be turning the science slider off.

I've never done a culture victory by early intent, so I'm kinda winging this one. Wouldn't be surprised if I end up going space in the end- a lot hinges on getting enough religions at home.

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Tale of Atlantis ​

Rules are NEVER LOSE A CITY. I'm changing them.


Troops never more than 1 turn.




I continue on.

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Quick summation, to this point, I was beaten to Liberalism, traded Nationalism with Isobela for Printing press, beelined Democracy now for the statue of Liberty.


Shaka was in red fist mode,and declared upon myself. Sailed one Galleon about my island and went west??? I've no idea what he's up to, unless, he's just gathering a fleet.


Really I have no hope of holding him out, spamming troops left and right, just have to get peace ASAP.




Not going to bother with a run at Chemistry, can't get enough frigates anyway, in the time it'd take.




Shaka lands 3 knights, I kill them with Pikes.


I trade Constitution with Isobela for Democracy, I need frigates now. Shaka's just hooning about with 1 galleon?? I have democracy and 1 Great Engineer in reserve. Trying for Taj Mahal 1st.


Research is sitting at 90%, going for Chemistry now.


I end up giving Shaka Education for peace, I only had Pikes and Castles to hold him out, and he's got Multiple Galleons sailing about my lands.

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I build the Taj Mahal, and immediately start on the Statue of Liberty, I don't use my Great Engineer, and I have a head start on Justinian, and Isobela.


I've just messed up big time, I traded Democracy to Justinian, and he nor Isobela has Rifling, which Shaka has!!!!! Yikes. I'll have to wear it, I've got a fleet of Frigates watching for his naval stack and a caravel watching his other naval stack in port. He keeps sending Galleons across the bottom of my lands..2 stacks in a pincer??

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I received the Quest Guns for butter, and since I have the Taj Mahal, I do a 2 turn civic swap to Vassalage, for the golden age, I'll swap back to Nationalism and Representation at the end of it. I'm only 1 turn off building the remaining muskets required.


I further trade Gunpowder to Isobela, for 2 civic swaps gold and 3 minor tech's.. keeps her happy with me.

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I really wish now, I'd pushed harder for the Mausoleum of Massaloss, its my 3rd golden age now..


I now go about rush buying all the drydocks with the gold I've been saving at 0% science. Mass build frigates as well.


The war's on again, Shaka's sending his Galleon's by the dozen to me, and I've rush bought the drydocks, and switched out of Vassalage, mistake, but still in golden age, may switch back. Have 1 Great General, who'll be attached to a frigate for either a super medic or a blitz frigate.


I got peace for 700 gold, as he had another 10 galleons, ready to land troops, and I had run out of frigates to defend with. I've sunk 30 galleons so far, 12 frigates, for the loss of 13 frigates, twice I've lost my medic frigates at 97+%...

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With the war over, Steam power in, I build Levies in all cities, and keep an eye out for Saladin's naval stack. I have 20 frigates waiting to great him if he comes from the north, and 10 from the west.


I keep the civic's of Vassalage and Theocracy, as it pleases Isobela and Saladin, as much as it can, and if I need to spam more frigates for Shaka, which I will, as he loathes me, I can.


1736 AD I'm currently stuck in my 3rd war with Shaka, twice I've declared war, as he was shipping troops to attack me. Killing all his Frigates and galleons, with some losses at 90%+ and was having a run of losing 2/3 battles at 67%.


I've just traded for both Scientific method and rifling, better give it to Saladin, otherwise Mia Bella will just run over the top of him. Saladin's been in red fist mode for a while now as well.

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The one turn rule just had a close run, Khan, snuck in his troops the first Naval stack I've seen, only because I don't have blitz as yet. I got down to my last Pike man, but I won, defeated 4 cannons and 5 Calvary.


I finally remembered to incorporate Mining Corporation. Duh!!!


I trade Railroad with Justinian, for Biology and Military Science, I now have Blitz enabled. I upgrade my Great General Destroyers to Blitz now, and kill Shaka's navy MULTIPLE TIMES..

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I also off load it to Isobela, for Physics and 270 gold, cat's out of bag, and Shaka's long since had Combustion on me...


I sell Chemistry to Saladin for 140 gold, got to get him to Cannons, he's now got Calvary, but needs Cannons for defense.


All cities now mass build Jails, for the war Weariness that's starting to seep in, I've lost a few frigates keeping Shaka away.



1832 AD I get the wounded soldiers cop out from war, and take it, as I was having to run 30% culture to off set war weariness.


Bah, so be it, I just want to incorporate Standard Ethanol, and sent Carriers and fighters over to Shaka's lands..

Spoiler :

I'll end my report here, post and continue on. Shaka's got INFANTRY...OOOhhhhh Scary

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

The tale of Atlantis ​

I continue on my merry way.

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I actually built the Christo Rendentor, I rushed with a Great Engineer I had spare, trying for Pentagon at moment, and building the other 2 radio wonders. Going for the 3 gorges dam as well, as I need to incorporate Standard Ethanol, can't have Shaka getting that can I.


Isobela, actually beat me to the Pentagon, oh well, lots of cash.


I've gone and declared war on Shaka again, as he was in red fist mode, and he beat me to both Rock and Roll, and the Eiffel tower.


1872 AD I incorporate standard Ethanol, Now I rule the sea's, Isobela's Vassalized Saladin, useless piece of ....


Shaka's just a monster, I think he'll just tech away with it, if I don't keep him in war, as he just adopted police state. He has 90% of his continent to himself, and Genghis just keeps popping out the Great Engineers??


Break time.


Having resumed, and still in this never ending war with Shaka, got to get him off research some how, he's built the 3 gorges dam!! (15 short) and now I'm starting the internet 10 turns behind.


Shaka tried to jump me with a naval stack of; 4 ships of the line, 3 frigates, and 6 Galleons. My Great General blitz Destroyer single handed, destroyed 9 of them and only had to stop due to no movement points, receiving another promotion for his efforts.


Other wise its just sinking Ships of the line/Frigates with Destroyers and Galleons with my frigates, some of which have actually made it as far as Blitz 17/17.


The space race is looking tight, Shaka has the land, but won't adopt Representation. At least while in war with me. I'm looking to the internet to save my research bacon.


I've just refused a trade deal with Isobela, and a demand the next turn for Plastics, now she's in red fist mode. Oh well, my bella couldn't help herself. I now have to pull back my western defense fleet to counter her threat.


How apt, at the Trun of the 20th Century, the Internets in, and I pick up; Laser, flight, Refrigeration, Fascism, Communism, Satellites, Advanced flight, Horseback riding, Rocketry, Artillery, Military tradition and Divine right, and I just finished researching Superconductors.

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Shaka has Genetics on me, and I think too big a lead in space race, my only hope is to build the space elevator, and pass him in research and building in a golden age, on the engines.


Looking at the Tech's, Shaka is up 2 space tech's, and too big a lead, but I go on..never know.


Mia Bella, decides that she wants a piece of me as well, plenty to go around babe. My Blitz promoted Great General Destroyer, sinks her attacking fleet as well as Saladin's screening frigates, Lovers tiff.


Shaka's built the space elevator, and now he's built Hollywood as well as the U.N. I'm still trying to win a space race, but I don't hold out much hope now. My last hope is a golden age with a 2nd different great person, as I just bulbed part of Fiber Optics with a scientist, to start a 4th golden age. Shaka's just got too much land, even for an idiot in Police state, he's out teching me.


I've adopted Emancipation finally, should have done it much earlier, not enough food to justify specialists, messed up big time there, probably cost me dearly.


May reload from earlier save and see the difference.


I've only just gotten Fiber Optics and Shaka's now gotten Fusion, he only needs the 2 engines and I need multiple space tech's I resign.

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Shaka's got more land then the continent of Isobela, Saladin and Justinian put together, there is now way I can compete with that. Shaka just got too much land too early, I struggled to hold him out with Astronomy, and he's just powered on from there.


I defeat scored.

 

[JTMacc99]

IPEX-731BA5DD06:

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Holy cow. That one little picture of the world map in the Internet screen shot tells the story. I don't think I've ever seen a map like that with an AI civ controlling that much land. Forgive me for not going back to find out, but what the heck happened to Japan? At least when he takes the other civs as vassals, it isn't as much help with the space race.

 

[cripp7]

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I thought I'd try for a Diplo game as I managed to get a 3 way going with Shaka, Khan and Toku having both Shaka & Khan at friendly!! (first time I've done that, and especially on monarch!) Signing a 3way defensive pact with them should keep the zealots from attacking.

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Izzy was busy with Sal and making demands from me send her to annoyed. Screw it, I sick Toku on her.

Funny thing was I was trading Bio and Communism to the 3some but they yet to have Astro!

Beelined MM and rushbuilt the U.N. but Shaka won the Secretary General and I stop there. My coastal cities steady building frigates. But Shaka is getting way ahead in techs so I'm kinda stuck.

Can one of you take a look at my save and give me some pointers. Should I call quits or what's your thoughts. I'd really appreciate some input here

 

[Mikehendi]

Part 3, Monarch, Normal speed, from 1490 AD 1896

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SO, 1490 AD, just made first contact with Isabella, and discovered Gunpowder this turn. Next turn we meet saladin, who is also behind in tech a lot. He already has optics however, so I research it in 1 turn, build 2 caravels in the next turn and send 'em out.

We make this trade with saladin:

Which also gives us +4 diplo for fair trade.

Tech corporation, chemistry, steel. About everyone has adopted mercantilism now, so no foreign trade routes, so I keep postponing astronomy for a while

We've met everyone but justinian in 1535, here's the tech situation:

Shaka let's us buy a world map, which is needed for the circumnav.

I met Toku by his caravel, so I hope I still make it.

And in 1555 I do! Time for making some ships, so I research mili science, for 8 strength ship-of-the-lines, who have +50% against frigates, which the AI's seem to use a lot.
and in 1575, the colossus is going down!

I have drydocks for +4XP in most cities, but I burn a Gartist on a golden age, and change civics when the first ship is about to be completed. I set the science slider to 0, to collect a lot of gold. I've got Banks in most cities, AND just completed wall street!

I complete the SOL in 1585, and meet justinian, who lets be buy a world map of his continent.

A good thing I have money:

This would've been disastrous, as I wouldn't have been able to produce ships of the line in those brief 8 turns... In 1615, the Golden Age is coming to an end, so I re adjust civics:

Free Market is a HUGE mistake, because the rest of the world has mercantilism or won't open borders... I miss out on 8 rep powered specialists!
I keep theocracy for 5 XP land units and diplo (building some cannons), but in 1630:

But other cities have confucianism now also via astronomy, which allows me to actually do something with my AP.

Hahaha, payback time you . .. .. .. .. .!

My empire may be smaller than those of the warmongers, but they WILL obey me!

Kind of overwhelming, hehehe.

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!

I'm asked to declare on toku, and I do so for diplo, and in 1700 I'm at peace again, having teched

Steam power, Rifling, Assembly line and physics (I saw Shaka was reasearching it, so I snagged it away!

then communism and fasicm get me a Gspy and a GG (Finally 5XP units without civic help)

The Gspy starts another golden age, with help of a great artist, and I sitch civics again:

I finally switch to caste, together wit SP they make Uber Workshops, get rid of that nasty free market, and get back to Org Reg for even more production.

Electricity, Mili trad, railroad, and I get shaka to friendly!

Which in retrospect is useless, since he needs to be slowed down...

Combustion gives me some Oil, and soon absolute control of the seas.
I've built the kremlin (which I later haven't used much) and broadway and later the eiffel tower, Rock and Roll and Hollywood, and the cristo redentor, which I then forgot about and I didn't use it... sigh...

I need health desperately, so next up is biology and medicine. Even with public transportation and hospital it stays bad... So after radio I tech refrigeration for supermarkets, which temporarily solve my health probs.

Check my production city: (At some point I popped Coal in this game, I forgot to note when. Also, I accidentaly buil Ironworks in the Capital!!! I didn't even notice I made a mistake until about 20 turns after completion!!! Rather than replaying 40 long turns, I called World Builder Big Cranes Inc., and they sent a GIANT crane to move the Ironworks to Lagash...)

I DOWed shaka to slow him down in 1844, sinking a loat of boats with hopefully a lot of troops! Destroyers really OWN anything at this point. I also upgraded my combat 2 Shock macemen to infantry for 5500 gold. Shock promoted infantry... Gunpowder units don't count as melee, do they?


Next up is Mass Media, and I just in time remember NOT to build the UN, As Shaka, who has everyone vasseled, WILL win diplomatically. My smallish empire won't stand a chance!

I'm second in power, but Shaka's power is twice as high!

In 1882 I make peace with Shaka, as I thought my research rate was suffering, just 880 beakers/turn. Check out the difference:

War:

Peace:

Does warring cost you so much??? Can anyone explain this huge difference?

Oh, and while I researched industrialisation and then plastics for the 3G dam (I didn't want coal plants, as unhealthyness was already pressing, Shaka completed Apollo program (But check out my 9 base hammer aluminium tile!)

He also isn't that far away from domination, but except for sinking his boats, I can't really stop him there...

Shaka caught up in techs FAST, probably trading with his vassals like crazy. 3 civs already have flight and artillery, shaka and genghis have rocketry.

But... I've unlocked Computers to research ... This will be the first time I will feel the power of the Internet!

It's 1896 AD, I think a good time for another break

 

[Mikehendi]

Very late Check point 1

ORP challenge-Atlantis ​

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O yeah,

Why do you have such a nice dotmap feature while I'm busy for 45 minutes drawing wibbely wobbely lines over tile borders I cannot see?

How can I get it?

 

[r_rolo1]

^^BtS Unaltered Gameplay Mod ( also known as BUG )

 

[Mikehendi]

Thanks. I have BUG, but I might have been running an old version. Updating now. (If I still can't find how to do it, I'll ask again)

Edit (rather than a new post, I'm spamming this topic enough already :S ): Also thanks to cripp7 below this post! You guys have saved days of my life!

 

[cripp7]

Thanks. I have BUG, but I might have been running an old version. Updating now. (If I still can't find how to do it, I'll ask again)

Questions about The BUG Mod Alt-X to bring up the dotmapper, right-click an empty tile or alt-x to exit. enjoy

 

[Mikehendi]

Last part, monarch, normal speed, 1898 - 1963

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In 1896 we continue, Researching computers while shaka completed apollo program. The very next turn, genghis (who is no longer shaka's vassal) also completes apollo!

in 1904 I complete computers research, and built the 3 Gorges Dam, giving power to all my cities, and +2 unhealthiness (which I didn't expected!), starving my cities again. So I start beeline Genetics via superconductors.

In 1912 I finish the internet, giving me artillery, flight and

So Lagash immediately starts on the Apollo Program! I believe the internet secured a space victory, it is a really powerful thing to build. As long as the UN isn't built, things will be OK.

A Tornado destroys a Town in Eridu, which is replace by a watermill

I finish Apollo in 1917, in 1918 I get +3 Health from genetics and my Cities are Back in Action!

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I've got 5 Gpeople, And I burn 3 of them on another Golden Age, keeping a Gspy and a Gprophet. I'll get a Gengeneer from fusion, and I've got a 95% chance to pop a different 4th from Eridu (only 5% Gprophet failure), for my final golden age.

A peak at the Glorious empire of Atlantis @ 1920:

I get Fission from the internet in 1921, so as soon I finished Fiber Optics I researched Fusion (finished 1931). I've got time enough to construct 2 engines. Genghis DOW's me, don't care.

At the end of the Golden Age I choose the research-orientated civics, as it's the weakest link. I realize I've been in High Upkeep Org Reg, while being in no state religion... Forgot to change it back...

Tech goes Sattelites (1936), composites (1942), adv flight from internet, ecology (1948), laser (1950) for SDI, just in case, and I stopped research.

Others are also building spaceship parts, but the are way to slow.

Shaka and his Gang DOW me, I'm being careful not to let any ships land so I'll be OK.

I get a good Gperson, and start my 5th(!) Golden age (1 from Taj). Why O why didn't I try to build the MOM??? 20 extra turns of golden age for free! OMG FAIL!

I switch to Univ Suffrage, costing me much research for a little extra production.

And behold, the Glorious Cities of Atlantis, at their best!

Spoiler :

Check out the 10 hammer aluminium tile in Lagash:

Blitz Rules:

In 1 turn he get's from 17 to 26 XP, allowing his next promotion!

and:

10 Turns to victory! To just get it over with quickly, I buy 10 turn peace treaties:

Genghis looks like he knows the bad news already!

So... cruising along... but then, 4 turns before victory, my nightmare comes true!!!

I vote for Genghis, but as powerful as I was with the AP, now it's Shaka who has absolute control

I just hope no vote comes up before I win. I don't know the mechanics of the UN very well.

So, about 1 terribly long minute later...

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Phew... that was close!

Some more pics:

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[JTMacc99]

Last part, monarch, normal speed, 1898 - 1963

Phew! That was a close one!

I can't believe I'm the only one who set up the

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destroyer moat

to protect Atlantis. I sure seemed like the thing to do once I started spamming them.

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

@JTMacc99

Spoiler :

What happened is Tokugowa was dogpiled first by Genghis Khan, then Shaka came in and ELIMINATED HIM in 695 AD. Then General Dumb A, Genghis Khan, declares war on Shaka, loses a city 1st turn, and from there capitulated in 1295 AD.

From there, well really, from 695 or even 400 yr's before, shaka was a monster. Heres some graphs to Demonstrate what I'm saying.

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Graphs of Civ's.

Demographics

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As you can see, I'd fallen to 4th, and Shaka was 8 times my production & research ergo. Shaka is at least 4 times me, if not 8 or more in others

Kills to 1872 I haven't got a save for when I resign in 1930 or abouts

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Yeah, sunk a lot of troops, have to replay with ships of the line, I almost never built them.

I'm going to replay this from a save in 1200 or so, just to see if I do a couple of things different, how it affects the outcome.

 

[UWHabs]

Very popular RPC. My attempt at a space victory (did culture before). This one went easier:

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Same plan as last time. Settle 1S. Build a second city. Get Oracle. Get Pyramids. Found religions. Ended up with 4 religions, 4 shrines. AW priests. All that let me run most of the game with the slider at 100% and still making money.

Shaka was strong, and if he really went for a victory, he would have had a good chance. Most powerful, but he ended up with a couple wars against Toku which would probably be quite tough. But he did some space, and some conquering, and so didn't really have a chance.

No screen shots, since I was lazy, but definitely saw the power of a priest economy. With 4 shrines, that was a big chunk of change to play with. Never mind 4 religions = 4 temples per city, so happiness wasn't a big issue. And with all that land, I was whipping like crazy. Running mostly priests meant I didn't necessarily need caste. Then switched to FR, and now I had 4 temples and 4 religions per city, so my cities weren't unhappy until they hit like 15+.

A fun map. With such good land, makes it quite enjoyable to play.

 

[JTMacc99]

IPEX:

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So, you sank over 230 ships? Heh. It seems like once Shaka got control of all that land for himself, the chances for a space race win are not very good..

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Atlantis Re-dux ​

Ok I've reloaded from a save Circa 1278 AD and played on

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I've adopted Organized religion, as I'm just building buildings, researched Astronomy, for trade routes and observatories, then Gunpowder, chemistry, Military science (ships of the line) and Steel (dry docks)


Shaka's, who's been in red fist mode for most of the time, declared war, and has only sailed 15+ Galleons past my southern seas. I've only got warriors in cities, and will play a no troops landing variation.


I got the Marathon golden age, once he declared war, with a galleon in my sea's (trigger) and switched to Slavery and vassalage, I'm going to whip out Frigates now, with buildings if only 1 pop whip first. I'm going to have to whip 2 or 3 frigates per city at least.


ALL CITIES go onto build frigates non stop, 8 turn on military science, whipping for 2 pop or 1 pop, frigates, frigates and more frigates.


NO troops landed , sunk 5 galleons already, 2 caravels and sending out on sentry for more attacks. Have to guard against Khan from the North.


1520 AD I now have ship of the line enabled, going for steel. I've got a sentry line out covering the eastern sea, but spread a bit thin, the western sea, has only 2 sentry posts, with 10 frigates at one, and 1 at the lower 2nd. I Great General is born, I'll join him to a Ship of the line, and send East, to boost my defenses. Troops are Warriors only and will remain so, NO TROOPS SHALL SOIL THE SCARED SOIL OF ATLANTIS.

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As can be seen from the war statistics, I've sunk an invasion force or 3 so far. I've no idea, what Shaka was up to, when he first declared war. No invasion, just sailing galleons east and west?? I've had to whip 2/3 Frigates per city, and will whip a Dry dock as well, but just build ships of the line now.


1572 AD Steel is in, I now research Nationalism, for the Taj Mahal, if I get so lucky, then its Democracy for Statue of Liberty. Lost one frigate to a dual frigate attack from Shaka, SOB I've now got ships of the line in most outward sentry posts.


I've lost the Taj race 2 turns later, Justinian, must have gotten Nationalism in a trade from Isobela, and immediately built it with a Great Engineer he popped 1 turn before , thems the breaks. Mia Bella, who's in red fist mode, I assume Shaka or Saladin, as I'm +6, is going for constitution now, race for the Statue of Liberty


I've just received the Guns for butter Quest again, don't think I'll bother this time, as I don't have Taj Mahal.


Quest14: Guns Butter Pre req: GUNPOWDER Obsolete: RIFLING or RAILROAD Active/Weight: 30/200 Aim: Build default number of players for this world size +1 Musket men (8 for standard) Result: 1.All Musket man units gain the Pinch promotion 2.IF Vassalage civic gain 400 gold 3.IF you control the Taj Mahal wonder trigger a golden age

Nah, said I'd stay with Warriors, with no Taj Mahal, not worth it.


Building Dry docks and Iron works in Uruk, move capital to Capital city as well, for gold bonuses, under Bureaucracy.


I make a trade with Justinian for Printing press, he was Hassling me for Chemistry, so I did it, speeds up Democracy for me.

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I just had Mia Bella come by demanding gunpowder, I gave in as she had fallen to Cautious, I've then traded it off to Saladin for 340 gold, Justinian has gunpowder as I traded Chemistry with him.

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I also go around and delete all the frigates with less then 5 experience, if they have sufficient Ships of the line with them to take up duties. Keep a few about to sink Galleons, or on sentry duty. I also adjust the cities back to mainly buildings as I have sufficient naval forces for the moment I feel. Need more commerce buildings, as I have all observatories built.


1634 Constitution is in, I do a 3 civic's switch to Caste system, Bureaucracy, and Representation. I've a great Engineer awaiting the Building of the statue of Liberty, or mining Corp, think I'll hold for mining corp, as I'm building Ironworks in Uruk to speed along Statue of Liberty, with bureaucracy in Capital of Uruk.


Democracy is in, I build Jails in ALL CITIES, except Uruk, which finishes off Ironworks for 1 turn, then Statue of Liberty and jail. Replaceable parts in next, 10 turns, then beeline combustion, scientific method.


I've just found Shaka's main naval stack, as I moved my sentries west forward 5 places and places my sighted Sentry frigate in Mia Bella's lands. I move all Ships of the line and frigates to intercept this naval stack of doom.

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SOB the Monkey Excretment, Saladin, decides to attack me with a naval stack now, I have to pull ships off sentry and mass build them again. Shaka's got about 30 ships coming for me in about 5 naval stacks. I'm just sinking the screening frigates then the galleons, the sole frigates, of which there is a stack of 6, I'll leave alone for the moment. I've lost 2 ships of the line in the latest round of battles at 95% or higher odds

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I move all available ship of the line to intercept Shaka, attacking out of Mia Bella's lands.


I don't have a full count of what was sunk, but its about 15 galleons 15 Frigates from Shaka, 6 Caravels and 3 Galleons from Saladin. Good think I didn't trade him Chemistry. I lost 2 or 3 Ships of the line, and have gone back to building 2/city except Uruk, which is on the Statue of Liberty.


Moving ships back to position now, I also lost my sighted frigate to a frigate attack from Shaka, so I have to build a new one and promote it to sight with victory. I now have 6 Ships of the line, guarding against further incursions from Saladin. GD piece of Monkey Excretment.


Shaka, has researched Education, and is just sending his attacking units in dribs and drabs, with Khan and Saladin sending the occasional unit.


1750 AD I've built the Statue of Liberty, currently teching railroads/Corporation, I do a civic's switch into Emancipation, as I don't have enough food to justify Caste system, and too small an empire as well.


This is where I feel I messed up last time, I'll see if it makes a difference or not. Shaka can now research combustion as well as Khan, really they are 1. I want Corporation 1st for Mining corp, then Combustion, trade for scientific method, or now, beeline Super conductors through refrigeration.


I do a dual civic's switch to Emancipation and Free Religion, I thought about Theocracy, but until Saladin's vassalized, no. I'm equal to Mia Bella on power with just shipping, and she's pleased, hates Shaka and Saladin more then me, and Justinian has gone back to Judaism again.


1759 A GG was born for Shaka, with no fighting, unless it came from my sinking his Frigate.


I make a trade with Bella, mainly to gain Drama and Economics, and she's gone into red fist mode, but is friendly with me, so its either Saladin, Justinian if he's broken free or Shaka (I doubt). I now adopt Free market, for the trade routes and build Customs houses all over the lands.

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I now trade off Military science to Isobela for Corporation, as she's now friendly. Racing to Railroad to obtain Mining Corporation, with my 2 great Engineers available.

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I now trade off steel for Scientific Method, world maps and some gold with Justinian. If its Justinian, might as well be both, Saladin's too far behind to worry about. I hold off for 1 turn, I want to get Physics for steel and Steam power, plus some thing else from Isobela.

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I'm now racing to Combustion, as Shaka now has Ships of the line available.


I've incorporated Mining corporation, its now Combustion, then beeline Refrigeration and super conductors. I've forgone the Pentagon, the Fascism Great General, really I should just attach all to destroyers/ships of the line. I also adopt free market for the extra trade routes.


I trade with Isobella; Steam power and Steel for Physics and theology.


1800 AD I've just built the oil well, and up graded my ships of the line to Destroyers, I feel safe now, can't be invaded, and I'm blockading the only route in for Isobela, just in case.


I also incorporate Creative Constructions, to stop Shaka getting any hammer bonuses, I've forgone Christo Rendentor now, don't use it much anyway. All the Media wonders, Shaka probably will get anyway, can't help that.


I don't believe it, I first lose 1 destroyer to a Iron clad at 98%, then I lose the 2nd at 70% defending to a frigate. , must have killed too many ships so far.

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I now offload Railroad; 1st to Justinian for Biology and Electricity, then to Izzy for Rifling, 30 gold, adopt free market, and stop trading with Shaka, well, won't last long, but hopefully I'll go back to friendly with her now.

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Then Mia Bella

Really, I now have to treat Justinian and Izzy as one player, but I can trade the same item twice to them,


1827 AD Refrigeration is in, I build Supermarkets and public transports all over, now its super conductors in 28 turns.


1844 I receive the inflation event, I've been hording cash for that and the warlords events, 25% less inflation for 253 gold, yes please, now I'm 65+ve at 90% research.

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I make a trade with Mia Bella, biology for Assembly line and a few trinkets.

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she wouldn't go free market, full on hammers is Mia Bella

and so ends part 1, part 2 will contain victory or defeat

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Tale of Atlantis, redux part 2 ​

I continue on with my quest, no footsteps have soiled our fair land so far.

Spoiler :

Shaka got a great Scientist, which had me panicking, but he burnt him on a golden age, Phew. I need to incorporate Standard Ethanol.


I trade Refrigeration to Izzy for Industrialism, and will swing a trade Justinian's way for Radio now.

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I trade Refrigeration and combustion for radio with Justinian, like I said, like 1 person, but multiple trades.

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Shaka's onto computers and such, he's got a huge tech lead, I need to hurry up, building factories allover , most Laboratories are finished now.


July 1899 Shaka's built the internet now, I have to out research with raw science now, but I think I'm shot. I have 6 destroyers blockading 3 of his cites in a inner bay area, and Shaka constantly attacks them with air ships, but won't build a missile??, Might have a shot at the 3 gorges dam.


1902 AD I trade Plastics for flight from Isobela, and next turn I'll trade Justinian Plastics for Rocketry.


I also just requested Hit singles from him, and he gave them to me..


1906 AD I lose to a diplomatic victory by Shaka Khan and his Vassal Genghis Khan, I may have had a hope in space race, but will play on and see.

Spoiler :

ANOTHER DEFEAT, Shaka's just got too much land,

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Really Shaka could have won a domination victory, by just fully eliminating Genghis Khan, that's what I would have done.


He's just too big, I missed internet this time, but he's just flown past me in tech's, as he should with all that land, idiot or not, kept in perpetual war since 1400's. Really he's just too big.

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Fun game, give it away now..play again, maybe later.

Thanks Mad Scientist, and thanks for not fixing the original save as well..

 

[RyanZ]

What a fun game! Culture victory, 1951, on Prince. What was most interesting about my game:

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Everyone liked me! Not a single war on Atlantean soil.

I discovered 3 of the late religions and credit my good standing on being able to switch to free religion the turn optics was discovered and I was no longer isolated, I only wish I was able to send missionaries to the brawler's continent as no one on that continent founded a religion and since I had the AP I could have had a good old time with holy wars

That being said, one of my worst scores since moving to Prince

 

[JTMacc99]

Well, the low score is in no small part due to the limits of the RPC.