Option for left-click movement?!

[Loppan Torkel]

I bought Civ4 on the Steam sale a few days ago for my mac and it's been a good experience so far. Although, I think civ3 had an option to move units by left-clicking the units instead. That option would've come in handy now with the one-button macs...

It might be a good idea to implement it for civ5 since macs seem to get more support. Any chance of that happening?

 

[Tylerryan79]

In civ iv you can click a unit then click where you want it to go.

 

[CurseUppl]

Beside, the one button mouse for the Mac was the most idiotic idea ever.

'Hey, I know! Let's not implement an obviously needed feature.'

 

[the343danny]

If you plan on using your computer a lot even if its a mac, or plan to game more in the future which is probably becoming more viable with Steam for Macs, just buy a two function mouse.

 

[awesome]

just click the go to button.
and get a new mouse.

 

[2K Greg]

There is a "move" button in the UI which you can click, and then left-click where you want your unit to move to. So yes you can move units with only the left mouse button!

 

[AriochIV]

Reason #465 why Macs are not gaming platforms.

 

[Schuesseled]

A two button mouse is not necessary on a mac, unless you want to play a game..

 

[Loppan Torkel]

You can also press ctrl and click where you want to go, it works fine that too but it's another thing I didn't ask for.

This feature won't make or break the game, but it probably would suit the mac laptops, so people might as well butt out with the anti-mac comments.

 

[civ_king]

Beside, the one button mouse for the Mac was the most idiotic idea ever.

'Hey, I know! Let's not implement an obviously needed feature.'

You know that the laptops have 4 clicks and a bunch of other stuff and the desktop mice do to right? FYI Apple basically invented the GUI

Reason #465 why Macs are not gaming platforms.

Really? My laptop has four clicks...

 

[Skwink]

You know that the laptops have 4 clicks and a bunch of other stuff and the desktop mice do to right? FYI Apple basically invented the GUI

Really? My laptop has four clicks...

Just what I was thinking.

 

[Tylerryan79]

Last time I checked, 4 clicks does not equal gaming. Plus, macs have never been considedered for gaming. You can game on them, sure, just like you can with most store bought pc's. Doesn't mean you should, or would want too. Any name brand pc sucks, IMO. Price/performance wise.

 

[PieceOfMind]

A more important issue IMO is whether people will still be able to move units using the keyboard. I'm still curious what keys the moves will be mapped to because the numpad on keyboards is very square. On the other hand, the main section of the keyboard where the letter keys are actually suits a hex grid a lot better and as an example, the six movement directions might be assigned to the keys U,I,O,J,L,M, comma and full-stop.

I pretty much broke down in tears the first time I tried to use a mac with a one-button mouse. It probably scarred me for life* and seems to me a perfect illustration of a failure of the "form follows function" principle. If you can play civ on such a machine you deserve my admiration.

*Ok, I may be exaggerating a wee bit.

 

[civ_king]

Last time I checked, 4 clicks does not equal gaming. Plus, macs have never been considedered for gaming. You can game on them, sure, just like you can with most store bought pc's. Doesn't mean you should, or would want too. Any name brand pc sucks, IMO. Price/performance wise.

A more important issue IMO is whether people will still be able to move units using the keyboard. I'm still curious what keys the moves will be mapped to because the numpad on keyboards is very square. On the other hand, the main section of the keyboard where the letter keys are actually suits a hex grid a lot better and as an example, the six movement directions might be assigned to the keys U,I,O,J,L,M, comma and full-stop.

I pretty much broke down in tears the first time I tried to use a mac with a one-button mouse. It probably scarred me for life* and seems to me a perfect illustration of a failure of the "form follows function" principle. If you can play civ on such a machine you deserve my admiration.

*Ok, I may be exaggerating a wee bit.

Wow, I found it really easy to adjust, I could acceptably use it within a minute and by the end of he day I could use it fine, by the end of the week I was better at it than MS XP

 

[PieceOfMind]

I could also live wihou he key beween r and y as well, bu I don' see the poin. I's jus irriaing.

Hopefully this is not straying off topic, but seriously, what design goal was actually achieved by going with a one-button mouse when it was already common for mice to have at least two buttons?

If my understanding is correct, some of the one-button mice were touch sensitive so that the one button still was able to act like two. To a new user, that is just confusing.

Anyway, a quick search on the topic reveals this shocking video. I would laugh if that guy ever tried to punch someone as he would likely break his thumb (watch the fist he makes if unsure as to why).

Makes a bit of sense for a laptop computer without a mouse, but for an actual mouse (not a touchpad) it's pretty backward to remove a mouse button for the sake of elegance. Form over function.

 

[Skwink]

Well the new Apple mice work just like the trackpad. I've tried it, it's great! You can click, zoom in/out, go back go forward a page with just a swipe.

 

[civ_king]

I could also live wihou he key beween r and y as well, bu I don' see the poin. I's jus irriaing.

Hopefully this is not straying off topic, but seriously, what design goal was actually achieved by going with a one-button mouse when it was already common for mice to have at least two buttons?

If my understanding is correct, some of the one-button mice were touch sensitive so that the one button still was able to act like two. To a new user, that is just confusing.

Anyway, a quick search on the topic reveals this shocking video. I would laugh if that guy ever tried to punch someone as he would likely break his thumb (watch the fist he makes if unsure as to why).

Makes a bit of sense for a laptop computer without a mouse, but for an actual mouse (not a touchpad) it's pretty backward to remove a mouse button for the sake of elegance. Form over function.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
Apple has been using one button mice since before MS-DOS supported mice...

 

[Skwink]

Besides, can't you just hold the mouse for a sec to right click? Haven't used my iMac G4 for a while, so can't tell for sure.

BTW there should be a Mac sub-section for Civ V. Would save arguments.

 

[AriochIV]

I doubt that the number of Mac players justifies any special section.

And besides, that would deprive the rest of us the pleasure of poking fun at them.

 

[PieceOfMind]

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
Apple has been using one button mice since before MS-DOS supported mice...

I'm aware of that. However I was referring specifically to the fact Apple have continued to use the one-button mouse well into this decade. The fact I mentioned the touch-sensitive version of the mouse should have made that obvious.

It is exactly why I am calling it backward - continuing to use a technology that had for a long time been superceded.

To be honest, I couldn't care less whether it was a mistake or not to use a one button mouse more than 20 years ago. I'm talking about the design decisions they made much more recently.

(By the way, you should know the first computer I ever laid hands on was a MAC with an old tv set for the monitor, before I ever saw DOS. I was even lucky enough to play games on it, though I didn't use a one-button mouse for that but a joystick . No need to make cheeky assumptions about what I don't know.)