Osroene, first christian empire PT.2

[KingCiv]

So as some may have seen I started a post but since I was new I didn't know how to properly word my ideas and so now I'm here to ask your guys ideas if this seems like a balance UB and UU for this Civ. Please keep in mind that Osroene was a very religious driven Civ, legend has it that it is the first christian empire in the world . They also controlled trading routes between Parthia and Rome, and were the center of flourishing Syriac culture and art and so I'd like to have those components as the main focus of their Unique stuff. please note that Osroene never had a large military and for awhile they had no standing military so its tough to make a UU.

Leader: Abgar V "Ukamma" Once a civ declares war on you, gain two free units from any Civ following the same religion. Open trade routes are doubled untill war is terminated.

UB- Abraham's Pool: Replaces the shrine, Once built gain 2 for every 4 , as well as +3 and an extra route

UU- Mar: Replaces Prophet, like the prophet it may lay down holy sites however, it may also be spent for great work slots or enhance relationships with city-states

What do you guys think? is this too "OP" does it work? Can anyone help me make this Civ come to life? If you have suggestions, help or ideas please feel free to comment I'm open to all kinds of criticism.

Thank you so much for your time,
KingCiv

 

[inthesomeday]

Your mind is very open, it's quite admirable.

As to the shrine replacement, does the trade route addition apply to every shrine built in the empire?

 

[Hoop Thrower]

Uh, if Osroene was never characterized for their military... why does the entire unique ability revolve about warfare?

 

[Knowtalent]

So as some may have seen I started a post but since I was new I didn't know how to properly word my ideas and so now I'm here to ask your guys ideas if this seems like a balance UB and UU for this Civ. Please keep in mind that Osroene was a very religious driven Civ, legend has it that it is the first christian empire in the world . They also controlled trading routes between Parthia and Rome, and were the center of flourishing Syriac culture and art and so I'd like to have those components as the main focus of their Unique stuff. please note that Osroene never had a large military and for awhile they had no standing military so its tough to make a UU.

Leader: Abgar V "Ukamma" Once a civ declares war on you, gain two free units from any Civ following the same religion. Open trade routes are doubled untill war is terminated.

UB- Abraham's Pool: Replaces the shrine, Once built gain 2 for every 4 , as well as +3 and an extra route

UU- Mar: Replaces Prophet, like the prophet it may lay down holy sites however, it may also be spent for great work slots or enhance relationships with city-states

What do you guys think? is this too "OP" does it work? Can anyone help me make this Civ come to life? If you have suggestions, help or ideas please feel free to comment I'm open to all kinds of criticism.

Thank you so much for your time,
KingCiv

The shrine replacement is way too OP. It would be way too OP with the extra culture leaving out the extra TR slot. A 2 fpt shrine is pretty powerful, as you get pantheon faster and religion faster.

I like the idea of the GP giving CS influence.

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[KingCiv]

Your mind is very open, it's quite admirable.

As to the shrine replacement, does the trade route addition apply to every shrine built in the empire?

Thank you so much for your reply and nice compliment. To be honest with you I was thinking that it should apply for every shrine built in the empire but looking at the comments now I see that it is a bit too "OP". I was thinking of changing it to a monument instead which would be a little more OP but it would fit its actual role in real life. http://www.turkeytravelcentre.com/blog/pool-sacred-fish-urfa/.

Would taking down the the +3 make it less OP? what do you think?

 

[KingCiv]

Uh, if Osroene was never characterized for their military... why does the entire unique ability revolve about warfare?

Thank you brother for your quick reply and I appreciate that you care enough to ask me questions. To me its simple, this empire was able to live for hundreds and hundreds of years between two superpowers in Parthia and Rome right beside it without being conquered. They were briefly given help by those who followed the same religion such as Armenia and christian Roman/ Parthians who converted with the increase in Christianity of that region. So to keep this a " religious civ" without making super weak in terms of protecting itself I decided to go with the trait.

Do you think a better would fit? you got any ideas?

 

[KingCiv]

The shrine replacement is way too OP. It would be way too OP with the extra culture leaving out the extra TR slot. A 2 fpt shrine is pretty powerful, as you get pantheon faster and religion faster.

I like the idea of the GP giving CS influence.

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Very good point and now I realize that thank you so much. What do you think would be more acceptable? dropping the +3 culture? or dropping the amount of faith per citizen?

 

[Knowtalent]

Instead of a shrine replacement, have it replace the great temple. Then you can keep the culture from the fish pool, and the additional TR

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[KingCiv]

Instead of a shrine replacement, have it replace the great temple. Then you can keep the culture from the fish pool, and the additional TR

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That's a great Idea actually thank you . Ill be honest there is a bias side of me that wants to see this civ get out a religion early you feel? that's why I'm trying to give it to them early.

 

[Knowtalent]

Yeah i can see that. One way to do that is to have a desert start bias. Desert folklore pantheon almost always guarantees a fast religion

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[KingCiv]

Yeah i can see that. One way to do that is to have a desert start bias. Desert folklore pantheon almost always guarantees a fast religion

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Very True however this empire wasn't really surrounded by desert, it was north of Syria and south Turkey near the Euphrates river.

 

[Keniisu]

I can help make the mod if you need help!
Made some artwork already for it since I took interest in this idea...

 

[KingCiv]

I can help make the mod if you need help!
Made some artwork already for it since I took interest in this idea...

WOW!!! I'm honored good sir that looks absolutely amazing! I have been trying for 2 years now to see this CIV come to life and its almost here thank you. You don't know how much this means to me. May I share a google drive document with you? it has some things I'd like you to see

 

[Keniisu]

WOW!!! I'm honored good sir that looks absolutely amazing! I have been trying for 2 years now to see this CIV come to life and its almost here thank you. You don't know how much this means to me. May I share a google drive document with you? it has some things I'd like you to see

Haha, glad you appreciate it so much! Sure. Just private message or friend/message me on Steam (keniisugaming = username). I'll get the Google Drive Document there and we can start off then mate