Outspoken Atheist Investigated for Blasphemy

I agree, I'm just saying that modern society is a lot more religious than it is not in composition. My point here doesn't really have any impact on the overall discussion either way, I was just commenting on something addressed to me.



Exactly, and that highlights how difficult of an ask that is! Billions of people who have been conditioned to think a certain way and to consider any deviation of "their way" to be something that makes them angry.

Consider that these things make them angry because it is a case of one of their core values being threatened and flipped inside-out. It will not be easy to change that sort of ingrained behaviour, you'll have to eliminate it from the culture somehow, and that's going to take generations. Imagine one of the things that would make you really angry, and how hard it would be to condition you to not feel like that when it happens.

I am not trying to excuse that sort of reaction, so don't take it as me doing that. Just trying to highlight the difficulty in doing what you propose.
I honestly don't think we're that far apart. You've got a more patient outlook in some ways than I do. I think a lot of my impatience comes from having religion shoved in my face in school - public schools, all of them - when we were expected to lean to the side of Christianity and participate in prayers if the teacher wanted us to.

Even in my first-year B.Ed. practicum in college, I couldn't tell the regular teacher, "Stop ordering me to participate in morning prayers, because you're violating my Charter rights" - because the Charter of Rights didn't exist at that time. It was still a year in the future. If this had happened a couple of years later, I could have told her, "No. I'm not Christian, and I will not take part in a ritual I don't believe in." And there wouldn't have been a damn thing she could have done to force the issue. As it was at the time of my practicum, this teacher had the say over whether or not I would get to continue in the B.Ed. program. So I stood for her prayers (didn't say the words), and tapdanced my way through an astronomy class when one of the kids asked how the universe started.

The later generations of students don't - or at least shouldn't - have to contend with public teachers pushing their personal religious agendas on kids. But it's an uphill thing. Just last week on CBC, I had to correct a poster who thought that it's compulsory to swear on a bible in court. The fact is that it's not.

I once had a conversation something like this with my grandfather, except it was on the topic of communism. The part of what I said that he agreed with was that if you want to change a system to get people to believe in it instead of what they already believe, you have to start with the kids - before they've started school and before their parents have taught them anything different.

Turns out this was just a ploy to get this law challenged and dropped. At least from what I've since read about it.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Stephen Fry was the person who submitted the initial complaint.

I think we still have blasphemy laws on the books here in Canada, maybe something similar would work here?
I think there was some report on the CBC website that the Liberals are planning to repeal a lot of the old, outdated laws. This is what I found regarding blasphemy:

Canada’s Criminal Code Section 296
296. (1) Every one who publishes a blasphemous libel is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years

  • (2) It is a question of fact whether or not any matter that is published is a blasphemous libel.
  • (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section for expressing in good faith and in decent language, or attempting to establish by argument used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, an opinion on a religious subject.
Source.

This law would never stand up to a Charter challenge. Good thing too, or I'd be spending the next few centuries in prison based on what I've said on several Richard Dawkins/Lawrence Krauss YT pages alone. My arguments are in good faith, but my language... well, it wouldn't pass the inappropriate language rules here on CFC.

The other reference I found to "blasphemy laws" in Canada concern the recent motion regarding Islamophobia. I have to admit that I'm not in favor of that. I don't blame some people who are saying that it marks one religion as more "special" than another. The truth is that we already have hate laws, which should be adequate to cover anything that might be said about the Syrian refugees and the asylum seekers who have been sneaking across the border from the U.S. to Manitoba and Quebec.
 
Turns out this was just a ploy to get this law challenged and dropped. At least from what I've since read about it.

Indeed.

It also seems that the 2009 law was a response to the Danish cartoons controversy and other cases of that nature affecting minority religions.

Not one of Irish law's finer moments, but neither is it evidence of a new theocratic trend in Irish Catholicism.
 
Indeed.

It also seems that the 2009 law was a response to the Danish cartoons controversy and other cases of that nature affecting minority religions.

Not one of Irish law's finer moments, but neither is it evidence of a new theocratic trend in Irish Catholicism.

Moreover, it's actually a step down - they brought it in because the original Irish constitution had a law against blasphemy, but only against the Christian religion. The current law simply bans anything likely to cause widespread offence to a religious group. Hence why the current charges could be dropped because people weren't generally offended - that wouldn't make sense if the offence was 'really' blasphemy. CFC actually has pretty much the same rule, and I'm not sure we're quite at the level of a theocracy yet.
 
Moderator Action: I've split off the diversion regarding the nature of God into a separate thread.
 
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