Path to Victory. C3B's destruction.

[Rik Meleet]

Only 3 teams will make it in this game. GCA is nearly out; that leaves 4 nations, fighting for 3 places. If we can kick C3B out we'll be one of them.

I've thought long and hard about it. I can see we have a good chance in doing it. But we will meet some requirements.

1 - Claim all land in the border area. Meaning our cities close to their core we can strike from.
2 - Undetected movement.
3 - Clear advantage.
4 - More Contacts.

1 - This is going the right way.
2 - When the C3B warrior has finished exploringour lands he will have to leave. We won't allow fortified units in our nation. Perhaps a proposal to C3B to "demand him to leave" to warp him back to C3B lands. When the C3B scouts have gone we can move our army fairly undetected to our (future) northern cities undetected (if we move smart).
3 - We can build up our army slowly, choosing quality over quantity. and the shape of our nation is good; small front with many cities. Although the size might be similar to C3B's;l the quality will be better and also better located. We have an advantage in there.
4 - C3B scouts with a curragh in our seas, and we know there aren't many new civs around there. we have scouted their lands and see many coastal tiles. Furthermore, we are nearly sure they haven't scouted it (huts, roaming barbs, no improved tiles, no cities, no C3B units present). It is not unlikely we meet the other Civs. We can hide that knowledge from C3B and benefit from it. With possible new techs or info or alliances we can crush C3B.

Problems:
Immortals. They are strong, but not so very strong in defense. Our AC's can retreat. Knights beat Immortals anyday and can retreat. And mounted units can reach the front quickly. If we focus on speedy units we can overcome the Immortals.
Horses. We don't know The Wheel yet and we need horses. Without it I fear we won't succeed.
Flipping. Raze the cities, rather than capturing overcomes this problem.
Luxes. We have only 1; and 1 in trade with C3B. We must be prepared to build temples and collosseums rather than markets. Market-happyness has the disadvantage that it needs 2 (or even 3?) luxes to get 1 extra happyness. If we take into account we will loose the C3B lux one day; than we won't suffer unhappyness and C3B will, giving us the upper hand.

Comments please.

 

[akots]

It might be a possible development if Joker remains the turn player in C3B. After Bremp left the President's position, their advancement has been not so efficient. And you cannot be serious about temples. There would be no or very few temples in this game IMHO. If we want culture, we should build libraries. Markets are always useful, they boost not only happiness from connected luxuries but from luxuries paid to people from our budget.

We don't want to betray C3B though and should keep our word and follow all the treaties.

We'll see if there are any horses after C3B sends us the wheel. But if I'm following the logic of mapmakers correctly, there would be no easy horses for us.

 

[Hygro]

Horses might be on the island with iron.

This doesn't sound like a bad idea however--we'll see.

 

[RegentMan]

Hmmm... will have to sit on this one for a while; see how the game goes.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

We should stay at C3B's side at all costs!

It is true that GCA is on it's last legs , but we need C3B. For these reasons:

#1 We need a good ally in the in the finals.
If we can get one good freind out of six everything will be much easyer.

#2 C3B should not be the one eliminated.
I know that CDZ is a very good team, and they much be destroyed ASAP, or they will kill us in the finals. Also CGN has many (and good) citizens. They also have the great Trip, one of the best military strategists the civ3 wourld has ever seen. They have shown in the other MSDG that they have much power, they killed a team or two in the other one. Though it has been shown that their diplomats are rather unskilled. Therefore one of those two much be eliminated, or we risk a big fight in the finals.


#3 SoZ-Immotal Alliance
In order to wage inter-continantal war, we need as many troops as we can. We have the two most powerful units in the ancient age, and we need to use them. We can wage a war aginst a CGN and CDZ alliance and win. But this will only happen if we keep our ally. If we do not ally and keep C3B, we risk being the ones attacked.

#4 CGN-CDZ alliance
Maybe we will not have to backstab C3B. The other alliance may start attacking eachother. If is shown that one nation does the fighting and the other does the tech reserch. This will give the nation that builds the military a huge plus and may just want to attack the tech ally.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Perhaps I need to clarify that this is all thought up as a possibility, not a "must do". We must consider and explore this option, although I also personally prefer both CFC and C3B surviving.
1 Aspect that obviously wasn't made clear enough by me is that we do need contact with the other continent first (requirement 4) to know wether this option is a theoratical option or a real neccessity.

Assuming we get contact with the other continent before C3B we need to keep this secretly to C3B. We have to assess our position in the world first. And we are covered by the UN; contact trading is pushed back in the tech-tree (PP, I believe), so hiding contacts is the correct way.

 

[Ankka]

EMP, you are wrong. GCA is not only on it's last legs, but gone if we can trust what CGN announced in the UN twice now. Destroyed this turn.. [dance]

 

[Matrix]

I don't think the alliance between C3B and us will continue in the next game. "New round, new chances."

 

[akots]

... #3 SoZ-Immotal Alliance
In order to wage inter-continantal war, we need as many troops as we can. We have the two most powerful units in the ancient age, and we need to use them. We can wage a war aginst a CGN and CDZ alliance and win. ...

If we can hammer this though into the skulls of C3B citizens, this might actually work. So far, all attempts to do this were futile.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

If we can hammer this though into the skulls of C3B citizens, this might actually work. So far, all attempts to do this were futile.

I seam to have gotten that message though most of the goverment, though the opposing party does not want it. But that party is getting smaller, maybe thanks to some purges by joker

 

[deshelbr]

Emp,

I think that the arguments you are presenting have merit, but the conclusions you are drawing are wrong.

#1 We need a good ally in the finals. Yes, but C3B seems a little too flakey for our tastes. They aren't going to be loyal to us and they will continue being a headache, and not a help, in the next round.

#2 CDZ and CGN are really good. That is exactly why we don't want to go up against them here. We are on poor footing already with a screwed up continent-buddy. By the time we can actually invade the other continent CDZ and CGN will be ready to hand us our asses. That strategy will turn into C3B and us racing to not be the first one eliminated.

#3 StatOfZues/Immortals only good in Ancient Age. Yeah, and that is why we need to use them now. We won't be able to get enough Ancient Cavs AND galleys ready before CDZ and CGN's Ancient Age is over. The fact that you want to make it a joint effort with C3B will slow it down even more. If you want to use the AC's devastatingly, you'll have to use it on someone in galloping range.

#4 CDZ and CGN may go after each other after deciding to work together if one of them premediates backstabbing the other. I don't think either team is going to allow the other to get a military edge. They sacrificed resources to knockout GCA and will both be scrambling to regain defensives posture because they probably don't realize we are too far away to exploit their extension.

Rik Maleet is right. Forget looking on the horizon for an assumptively weaker enemy, we have round-winning opportunity right here on our own continent.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

#1 We need a good ally in the finals. Yes, but C3B seems a little too flakey for our tastes. They aren't going to be loyal to us and they will continue being a headache, and not a help, in the next round.

Flakey? I do not understand, I don't think they are.

#2 CDZ and CGN are really good. That is exactly why we don't want to go up against them here. We are on poor footing already with a screwed up continent-buddy. By the time we can actually invade the other continent CDZ and CGN will be ready to hand us our asses. That strategy will turn into C3B and us racing to not be the first one eliminated.

IMHO C3B is not a "screwed up continent-buddy" I think they will help us. The other alliance has been weakened by the war they just fought, militarly, domesticly, and tech-wise.

#3 StatOfZues/Immortals only good in Ancient Age. Yeah, and that is why we need to use them now. We won't be able to get enough Ancient Cavs AND galleys ready before CDZ and CGN's Ancient Age is over. The fact that you want to make it a joint effort with C3B will slow it down even more. If you want to use the AC's devastatingly, you'll have to use it on someone in galloping range.

They are week from the war, they have slown down their techs and have little military left from the war. Even if they have the techs, even lower tech units are goot in numbers. We can do this if we start now. We need to build gallies NOW and get ready for an invasion.

#4 CDZ and CGN may go after each other after deciding to work together if one of them premediates backstabbing the other. I don't think either team is going to allow the other to get a military edge. They sacrificed resources to knockout GCA and will both be scrambling to regain defensives posture because they probably don't realize we are too far away to exploit their extension.

Now think this: they build up their military. C3B and CFC come into contact with one of the civs. They would be willing to wage a war on their own land with our aid from our banks and troops. This war we have a 3v1 battle that makes good feelings to all three of us.

 

[akots]

?? Flakey! C3B! ??

So far, C3B has been the strongest team because of Bremp who played a number of turns. They are slightly falling back because of Joker. They apparently have perky citizens who tend to disagree among themselves on a number of issues as a lot of "hot-headed" guys there in Brasil probably are. But still, judging by sheer strength of team members, they come slightly behind CDZ. Actually, CDZ does not have extremely impressive players. Anarres and Kemal are good (not exceptional) but others are not so strong.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

They are slightly falling back because of Joker.

Sorry to ruin the party, but from my spies in C3B, Joker is not running again.

 

[akots]

He must have screwed a lot.

I just hope that Bremp can be elected there and we would have some consistency in the relationships. IMvHO, Bremp is as scared of CDZ as we and would like to go after them.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

I just hope that Bremp can be elected there and we would have some consistency in the relationships. IMvHO, Bremp is as scared of CDZ as we and would like to go after them.

Nominations are almost over in C3B, I will tell you guys who is running as soon as I find out.