PBEM Four Players with Self Alliance

[zurichuk]

well i'm both happy with the game (only one tech behind at the end) and disappointed, from a jungle start and an island start i felt i played rather well up until the point where i was permanently mobilised due to a diplomacy bug from the war with dogboy . I only got out of that 2 turns from the end when peace was made with civfanatic, how many turns was that, 60+ at least, i was unable to build ss parts, new hospitals, new research labs, new stock exchanges yet i feel unmobilised i could have got nukes enough turns earlier to stop civfanatic declaring and given dogboy a good run for his money with an improved economy. Also many english tanks that had landed secretly on dogboys continent were stopped in their tracks due to an ROP bug (we had ROP but ROP movement wasn't working) at a time in the war when dogboy was very vulnerable

anyway good game and well played

 

[Rubberjello]

More Thoughts...
Well, Dogboy failed to mention his near-monopoly on Rubber. That had a pretty major impact on the ability of the D/K civs to wage offensive or defensive war.

Looking back on it. I feel quite proud to last as long as I did. I would have succombed much sooner if I didn't do a couple of strategic steals, including a crucial steal of Rocketry which allowed me to build TOWs right at the onset of Dogboy's offensive. Before that I was only building Rifles and Guerrillas due to lack of resources!

I had some fun with this game, although it was a losing proposition already when I took over from Apricorn. I told Dogboy then that Apricorn had goofed up big time and lost his shirt (and far too much critical land near his capital). Dogboy even agreed with me at that point.

The one thing I am emphatic agreement with Dogboy on is...
NO MORE AP MODE!!!!
It totally disrupts the balance of the game. It may make the starting turns go much faster, but it just isn't worth it in the end.

Also, I guess Zurichuk made no big deal out of it, but I will now. Dogboy broke an active Peace deal with England to gain many cities the Dutch gave to England. Now I know you aren't supposed to judge players between different PBEMs, but breaking an active Peace accord (an in-game, 20 turn deal) will make me wary of him should a similar situation arise.

 

[zurichuk]

More Thoughts...
Also, I guess Zurichuk made no big deal out of it, but I will now. Dogboy broke an active Peace deal with England to gain many cities the Dutch gave to England. Now I know you aren't supposed to judge players between different PBEMs, but breaking an active Peace accord (an in-game, 20 turn deal) will make me wary of him should a similar situation arise.

strictly speaking he told me to give them to him within 10 turns or he would declare after 20 turns and nuke the hell out of me, so it is probably reputation aok, it gave me enough time to draft/disband them to hell, i didn't give them in the diplomacy screen because of the bug just left them empty and told him

 

[DogBoy]

RJ: Zurichuk is right about me not breaking any deals. Thanks for clearing that up. Here is the series of e-mails between him and I. I hope Zurichuk doesn't mind.

DogBoy:
Greetings Zurichuk of the English/Carthage,
I am glad that we have decided to make peace. I think it benefits us both.
However, I am somewhat troubled by your encroachment upon my land. I'm sure
you are well aware that I have plans on taking over all the Dutch cities.
Now it seems you have acquired some. I do not think you did that by
conquest. It must have been some sort of subversion in effect.

You have 18 turns left on our peace treaty. I expect you to give me those
cities in 8 turns or less. If you do not give me those cities I shall
declare war on you in 18 turns. If you abandon those cities or gift them to
any other nation including back to the Dutch, the penatly will be severe. I
can promise you that. You have 8 turns to comply.

If you acquire the Korean cities than there will never be peace between us
again. Any English or Carthage units found in Korean land are to be
considered hostile towards the Greeks/Gremans.

DogBoy of the Greeks/Germans

Zurichuk:
Greetings dogboy
>
> you are not having them and if you declare war I will give all my Carthage
> cities to civfanatic

DogBoy:
My dear friend Zurichuk of the English/Carthage
Surely you can see that is not a good course of action for you. If you give
the cities to me, I will never declare war on you. Our 20 turns of peace
shall extend until the end of the game. If you don't give those cities to
me, you will be assaulted from me on one side, and civfanatic on the other.
If you give your cities to civfanatic, that leaves you with nothing. I know
you can see my way is the only way you have for a chance at survival.

DogBoy of the Greeks/Germans

Zurichuk:
Dear extorting dogboy
>
> but despite your fears I have no chance of winning (especially being
> permanently mobilized)
>
> zurichuk

DogBoy:
Zurichuk o' Zurichuk,
I am not an extorter. I am a man of peace here, simply trying to survive.
Too many times have I been conspired against in this game. First it was
from the Dutch and the Byzantines. Then the Byzantines turned their back on
me and joined the Dutch/Korea and England/Carthage alliance. Now the
English are getting involved in matters that pertain to my nations'
interest. All I want to do is live on my land in peace, but you are making
that impossible. I urge you once again to listen to the voice of reason.

DogBoy of the Greeks/Germans

Zurichuk:
Mr dogboy
>
> I have not extorted anyone, those cities were given to me without my
> asking, so can you imagine how fair your diplomacy suggestion sounds?
>
> zurichuk

DogBoy:
Zurichuk of the English/Carthage,
Those cities may have been given to you as you say, but those are not your
citizens. Those are Dutch citizens. And the Dutch people have wronged me.
I have made it my mission in life to punish the Dutch for their
transgressions against me. And the only way I can punish them is to take
control of them and put them under my yoke. I'm sure you are aware that I
have been pursuing a war against the Dutch and the Koreans for quite some
time. You have interfered in that war. All I'm asking is that you
un-interfere yourself. I am not extorting you, I am not bullying you. I am
simply asking that you leave the affairs of the Dutch/Koreans and me out of
your dealings.

My diplomacy sounds fair to me.

DogBoy of the Greeks/Germans

Zurichuk:
i cannot give you those cities in the diplomacy screen but they are empty, just walk in

So you see, no foul play was committed here.

@ godonlyknows: Welcome to CFC The way we set up the game to go AABBCCDD was in the editor. It's really quite simple when you get familiar with the editor, and it did make this game fun.

As for what Rubberjello said, he did take over a very difficult position. And that is what's so odd as Apricorn was doing the best so early in the game. But then he made one bad move by gifting me those cities and that was really the downfall from there. I think RJ did an excellent job with what he had. As for stealing techs from me

 

[Rubberjello]

Dogboy: You are the king of cutting fine hairs.
I bow to you.
Have you considered the fact that you missed your calling in life? Somewhere, a lawyer or politician job goes unfilled because of you!

 

[DogBoy]

I take that as a compliment, me cutting fine hairs. This game is all about diplomacy, and I try to use it to its full extent. But I will never violate an agreement or a treaty.

I use to want to be a lawyer. But I nearly failed my logic and debate class in college so I didn't see much of a need in it. I'm pretty sure I failed because I'm a white heterosexual male who votes republican and my teacher hated everything I stood for. I went to a very liberal school. But I could never be a politician. I do have feelings...every once in a while

 

[godonlyknows]

thanks dogboy!

I've been lurking on and off here for a while, usually to just improve my game. Some friends recently started playing by email and it's VERY slow.

The editor, you say..?

I'll have a play with it tonight...

 

[predesad]

congrats to dogboy, and yes if the very early D/K B/P alliance had been maintained the G/G alliance would have been crushed early. what i cannot believe, and dogboy did not tell the full stroy because there was a lot of diplomacy between him and i and i guess he did not want to break my confidence, is that the B/P & G/G alliance fell apart, the ports would have had it made in this game all they needed to do was use the G/G alliance to rid the K/D and sit over there in peace with carthage and build, build, build. I know for a fact zuri wanted peace between the ports / carthage for a long time and i had a massive land advantage over him when i had to leave the game and there was a choke point avialable to seal them off. i always knew the byz were doomed being stuck in the middle of everyone on a mess of jungle, but the ports should have mopped up a space race while the G/G fought everyone. but that's just my perspective from a game i remember in the BC's.