PCI JoaoII

[CivIVMonger]

Hello and welcome to the Prince Cliche. I'm your host and please remember that everyone who is stuck on prince may host one of these. Today, I picked an interesting charactor, JoaoII! Make good use of his traits, (imperialistic) (expansive). Imperialistic is imparative for early city building, and expansive is important due to the amount of seafood avalable, making for a higher health cap. And don't forget about graineries! Now be sure to get the carrack early and make for overseas colonies. Afterall, in civ, Land Is Power! but in the late middle game when you have expanded ruthlessly, be sure to build fetorias and work commerce tiles frequently to afford to maintain your large empire!

 

[Maronae3]

Could you possibly post a picture of the start? It's good for getting discussion going before the games are downloaded.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Of course. I'm on it right now.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Alright, iv'e got it fixed now.

 

[oyzar]

This is a pretty sick start for joao, tech towards AH, I doubt you can get it before the worker if you go worker first unfortunatly... After that BW to chop out more workboats is a priority... Grow a bit then spam settlers and workers to cover as much land as possible, hopefully it'll be a bit...

 

[pigswill]

Played to 1 ad.

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Interesting map.
Possibly quite challenging for someone's first game at prince.
But interesting.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Played to 1 ad.

Spoiler :

Interesting map.
Possibly quite challenging for someone's first game at prince.
But interesting.

Iv'e pled prince several times. And i've almost beat it once or twice. I know your talking about the people who are on here but still either way.


Also, I think it's a good start. It has alot of food. I'll play to 1AD and post a pic and then we could discuss it.

 

[CivIVMonger]

Wow thats WAS a tough map. Just look at the pics. You usually have enough room for 2 cities on your island, and I expanded all I could. then I was losing -2 at 0% thiers colonies for ya'.. I like continants or terra better. I'm sorry but I don't think i'm going to continue this one.[/ATTACH]


I might have an error w/ the pics, sorry, didn't check em.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The UB is pretty crappy actually.

I'll try to shadow this now.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Played until 620BC - Monarch/Marathon

Spoiler :

Settle in place, build The Great Lighthouse in Lisbon then settle 3 more cities, O Porto in Sury's lands. Popped Gold on the hill next to Lisbon.
Saw Sury had metals (saw an Axe) and, as I had none, decided to attack with my Archers:

Many died, but Archers are cheap. Took his capital:

The funniest part is that a Great General was born in his cap when he had only a damaged Archer left.

Then decided to rest because assembling an army of archers to take a city with a wall and metals is tiring...

 

[Stewie0416]

@ Ignorant Teacher

Spoiler :

How many archers did you lose and is that really a viable tactic? It seems that that screenshot of 29 archers immediately reminded me of attacko lol, no offense intended.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

@ Stewie:

Spoiler :

I'm not exactly sure right now, but I think I lost 13 or 14 of them to kill 4 or 5 defenders. It's not the most effective strategy and I avoid using it, but I had my four cities. Lisbon and Oporto were good cities but the other two were there only for the trade routes. I had no resources. I could have waited for construction and that would possibly be the best idea, however:

Fact 1- Trying new things and having fun is the superior.
Fact 2- If Suryavarman has any other sources of metal I'm gonna cry home to mama.

But in continents or hemispheres maps up to Monarch this strategy is really viable if your neighbor is close and is not creative or protective. Of course you should only try it if you have no copper or horses. If you wait to see if you have iron you should wait for Construction.

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

Played a little more.

Spoiler :

Finally kicked Sury out of the continent. This is my new land:

I'm going to make Yasodharapura my new capital. After fixing the economy I'll attack Toku and then have enough cities to play this right.




Regarding the questions about an archer rush, this is what it cost:

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28 dead archers to kill 7 archers, 1 chariot, 3 swords, 5 axes and 4 spears. Lost 28, killed 20 and got better land. I got lucky here, the results are usually far worse.



There is also a theory behind it:

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I know, the image is ridiculous

 

[Ignorant Teacher]

I'm the only one playing this game. This is the last public post. Will play the rest off-line.

Spoiler :

Moved the capital to Yasodharapura and built the Great Library in Lisbon. Toku founded Taoism and shrined it. He declared on Sury and so did I. Took his last cities and he is no more. Spawned my first colony:

Right after that declared on Toku. And this time with a "normal" stack!

Not too long later:

Now I'm building Navigation I Carracks in Yaso (my HE city with two settled generals) to take me to my next target. Building some settlers in Lisbon to build two cities in other islands and grant independence for the happy bonus.



My next target:

A resourceless Ragnar!

 

[pigswill]

Not the only one playing this game.

Spoiler :

Played up to 1505. Probably won't play further coz I think its in the bag but probably going to be early/mid 20th century to wrap it up.

Early game I settled the crappy island to the southeast and put a city on the marble. Got one city in Sury land. Built a few wonders: Glight, Glib, MoM. Eventually built a city to the south west for coppe

Declared on Sury in 820ad, cats and maces, the war lasted until 1140, Sury capitulated with one city left the other side of Rags. Probably a mistake to accept capitulation but I was getting bored with the war.

Meanwhile got optics in 900, circumnavigated 1080 and got astronomy 1220. Then went for a lively rex, even settled a couple of cities to give to Sury coz a one city vassal is totally useless.

You can tell its prince when you manage to win lib race in 1505. I took economics (free GM, extra trade route with FM and Portugal's UB could be pretty handy on this map. Launched my first golden age with a GS I had lying around and swopped to FR and FM. Got a reasonable tech lead and second in military to Alexander who's falling behind in the tech race.

Figures greatly inflated by Golden Age:

I'd reckon the way to go is to head south along the tech tree (chemistry, steel, maybe milsci) to beef up military then think about war.

Longer term I'm undecided between Sushi (lots of seafood and GM available but nerfs Glight) and communism (state property, much less micro-management). However as I'm not playing on I guess I won't need to decide anyway.

If anyone feels like playing on from here then feel free. If you don't that's fine too.