Pericles and Gorgo on the same map..

[Sascha77]

In my last three rolls as Pericles I always had Gorgo with me on the map as well.

Can we please get an option to avoid this without having to manually select all the leaders in the setup?

If "multiple leaders for one civ" is to become more of a thing via future DLCs, this would be an important little feature to add.

1. It's awkward to play as Greece with another Greece on the map.. I simply don't like it and I think it goes against the idea of the Civ-series.
2. It kinda diminishes the uniqueness of my civ when there's another civ with the same UB, UU and basic "setup" (in Greece's case: generating culture) out there.

Either add an option in the advanced setup to exclude certain leaders, or add a mechanic to avoid having multiple leaders for the same civ on a map together. Probably the best way to do this would be to make the game handle civs according to countries, not leaders.

S.

 

[Solitude]

Whats even worse is playing Gorgo then coming across another Gorgo...

 

[Sascha77]

Whats even worse is playing Gorgo then coming across another Gorgo...

Haven't seen that one myself yet (haven't played as Gorgo), but it seems pretty clear that the game has problems with the way it handles civs and their interaction.

1. It seems that the game doesn't "know" the difference between Civs and leaders, thus treating Gorgo and Pericles as separate Civs - not as the same Civ run by different leaders.
2. The way Civs you haven't met can interact with you (declaring war, mostly) and the fact that you'll get messages regarding unmet Civs complete with their names *and* messages about your own Civ in the third person.

Those two points probably aren't related to each other, though.

 

[PlotinusRedux]

Athens vs Sparta--Peloponnesian War? Though do you end up with multiple cities with the same names?

 

[Xen]

Im actually the opposite- I LOVE the two of them together, BUT only when they are the closest civs to each other- they shouldnt be very distant from each so ad ronrepresrnt a single culture with multiple states

 

[Sascha77]

Im actually the opposite- I LOVE the two of them together, BUT only when they are the closest civs to each other- they shouldnt be very distant from each so ad ronrepresrnt a single cukture with multiple states

I wouldn't mind all of that so much (after all, Sparta and Athens did co-exist and did have quite a few differences in politics, culture, etc). But only if Sparta and Athens were more distinct in the game as well. As it is now, the only difference is the culture-bonus (% per Suzerain vs flat bonus per kill). Everything else is the same. IMO Sparta should be even more military-minded and feel more different from Athens than it currently does. Why not give them an additional military policy-slot instead of a wildcard-one? And maybe a different UU, too.

As it is, the two are too similar for my taste to have them on the same map together.

S.

 

[Xen]

Because from the outside looking in they are far more similar to each other than different- everyone knows the cultural legacy of Athens, but less people realize that all our Greek words come to us from the Dorians (the Spartans being the prime example of Dorians) rather than Ionians.

So if the Peloponnesian war was more broadly a conflict between Ionians and Dorians, the Dorians led by Sparta were no cultural slouches. And certainly they both deserve the hoplite UU, since the heaviest fighting in the Persian wars was actually done by the Athenian hoplites!

 

[Victoria]

I used to get this on Civ V when I swapped Civs but forgot to change my country list, I hated it and always retsarted so am with you 100%

 

[Ryika]

The "the same leader twice"-problem is a known bug, but having 2 Leaders that use the same country seems to be completely reasonable to me. Because if it's okay to have 2 leaders from different time periods - sometimes even Civs that occupied the exact same land - then why would it not be okay for 2 leaders that led the "same" country to show up in the same game?

I do however think it's reasonable to add an advanced option to disable that.
One of the MANY advanced options that would be very useful.