Perry, a searing contempt for women

[useless]

Why do pro-abortionists value the lives of murderers more than a childs?

We don't?

 

[Truronian]

Given I'm not 'pro-abortion', I cannot answer that question.

Indeed, I don't think I've ever met someone who is pro-abortion...

 

[useless]

Hell, Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are different things..

I'm pro-choice.

 

[Oruc]

Indeed, I don't think I've ever met someone who is pro-abortion...

I suppose I could have said pro-death (If I had said that I would just be fishing for a reaction really), but I thought I should be more diplomatic.

 

[useless]

Hardly Pro-Death... that would also include anti-abortionists, as some believe in capital punishment...

 

[Truronian]

I suppose I could have said pro-death (If I had said that I would just be fishing for a reaction really), but I thought I should be more diplomatic.

What exactly are you fishing for?

 

[GhostWriter16]

so was killing Jews in Nazi Germany, so was forcing slaves to fight to the death in ancient Rome.

This. The legality is more or less irrelevant.

Are you actually comparing the holocaust to Abortion?

This is the circular reasoning that is often used. "Why are you comparing abortion to the Holocaust? By which you miss the point. Heinous crimes against humanity are sometimes officially legal.

both are legal murder, so yes.

I kinda agree with this, however, I think the US government, by doing nothing to stop abortion, is guilty of negligence. They're only actually guilty of assisted murder for the ones they gave Federal Funding too (Which, so far, isn't most of them.)

MOST of the women who commit abortions in modern day America are not doing so with the heart of a murderer. Most women who do it are confused and tricked by abortion doctors. THEY are the ones who really have the facts.

That said, if abortion was made a capital crime, as I feel it should be, I don't think people could plea ignorance anymore.

Hardly Pro-Death... that would also include anti-abortionists, as some believe in capital punishment...

I'm very pro-death, for some people. I'm against ARBITRARY killing (Murder.) I'm very in favor of the legal system using death as a punishment for particularly heinous crimes.

 

[Truronian]

Dom, would you like to see people punished for using the morning after pill?

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Hell, Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are different things..

I'm pro-choice.

being pro-slavery and pro-choice to own a slave must be different then.

 

[Junius]

Or sometimes two.



Why is a forced abortion murder? Is this a US law?

I call birth the most significant point of a foetuses development because that is when it starts to live without relying on the mother. It's a small step in the grand scheme of things, but it's both the most abrupt change and the step that has influenced our scientific and social naming conventions.

Of course. You would be alright with a forced abortion for a woman, ala China?

A fetus is capable of living outside the womb for a while before birth. Even before it is, it is still a human being. If a person is incapable of living without a machine for a few months he is still a person deserving of respect and protection.

Hell, Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are different things..

I'm pro-choice.

If you aren't against abortion you are implicity for it. You must see nothing wrong with it.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Dom, would you like to see people punished for using the morning after pill?

Honestly it isn't something I know anything about, but if it stops conception no, if it destroys an embryo that already conceived than yes.

being pro-slavery and pro-choice to own a slave must be different then.

This. A lot of people back then opposed slavery morally but still wanted to allow it. This is no different TBH.

If you aren't against abortion you are implicity for it. You must see nothing wrong with it.

Well, this argument does need to be defined a bit. WHY is this so?

I oppose smoking, but I support the legal right to smoke. Ditto for (In most cases) getting drunk.

And for homosexual activity, marijuanna use, and a lot of other things.

That said, in abortion this doesn't work. Why not? Well, because either its murder or its surgery. There's really no grey area here.

 

[useless]

Seriously? Slavery? Abortion and Slavery are two completely different issues.

Man sometimes I wonder.

 

[Oruc]

What exactly are you fishing for?

I didnt say pro-death therefor I wasn't fishing. I was wondering why someone who is fine with abortion is also not okay with executing a convicted murderer. You don't find it absurd?

 

[Truronian]

Of course. You would be alright with a forced abortion for a woman, ala China?

No. Why would I be?

A fetus is capable of living outside the womb for a while before birth. Even before it is, it is still a human being. If a person is incapable of living without a machine for a few months he is still a person deserving of respect and protection.

What's your point? That late term abortion should be illegal?

Honestly it isn't something I know anything about, but if it stops conception no, if it destroys an embryo that already conceived than yes.

It destroys a conceived embryo. How many murders should someone using the morning after pill be charged with?

I didnt say pro-death therefor I wasn't fishing. I was wondering why someone who is fine with abortion is also not okay with executing a convicted murderer. You don't find it absurd?

Not really. Convicted murders don't rely another person for sustenance.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Seriously? Slavery? Abortion and Slavery are two completely different issues.

That's true, slavery doesn't usually lead to death

(Note: I'm not supporting it by that.)

Oh and the irony is, that this coming from a guy with a pro-slavery avatar.

Southern culture and secessionist ideas have nothing to do with slavery. Most neo-confederates (And I'm not even one, unless you're talking about the CFC elections oppose slavery. And most Confederates didn't own slaves. Yes, they supported slavery, but that was because of their time period, not the ideals they stood for.

 

[useless]

...Has nothing to do with slavery? Despite the south being built upon slave-labor? Right...

Lot's of historical revisionism up in here.

But whatever.

 

[Oruc]

Not really. Convicted murders don't rely another person for sustenance.

Of course they do, the state has to feed prisoners.

 

[GhostWriter16]

It destroys a conceived embryo. How many murders should someone using the morning after pill be charged with?

One, as there was only one living person at the time.

...Has nothing to do with slavery? Despite the south being built upon slave-labor? Right...

Lincoln was content to allow slavery in the South as long as it didn't expand. Thus, logically the reasons for secession had to do with more than slavery. They didn't like Lincoln, and they feared the increases in Federal Power he was likely to bring.

Of course, I'm not saying the south was perfect morally, they did do questionable things. But their president and general both opposed slavery, so it was clearly about more than slavery. More specifically, it was about state's rights.

 

[useless]

Whatever, Slavery and Abortion aren't comparable, unless you're now saying that Abortion is.. somehow related to state's rights?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Whatever, Slavery and Abortion aren't comparable, unless you're now saying that Abortion is.. somehow related to state's rights?

Well, Roe VS Wade is.

But that's besides the point. Slavery and abortion are comparable because they both deprive a person of rights that should be theirs.