Personalities in xpack

[Eternalsteelfan]

Heh. And so ends the productive portion of the thread, lol.

Iosef Stalin stopped the German advance during the "Great Patriotic War" (WW2), Adolf Hitler luanched the revolutionary "Lightning War" changing modern combat forever, and Lenin overthrew the government of the largest nation on Earth and created the first communist nation. Mao and Khan are two of the largest mass murderers in the history of mankind but they still have their place in history, for better or for worse as do the before mentioned leaders. Many of their acts are incredibly evil and malicious but nonetheless are a part of our past.

 

[Palantir30]

Nice little paragraph.

Here's a half dozen threads, most over 20 pages long, where people argue with both less well and better reasoned arguments.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152377
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=120294
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=38925
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=123823
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=122410



http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=109725

This horse was dead and beaten even before the darn game was released.

That last thread was about how someone's making Hitler leaderheads. You want Hitler/Stalin/Marvin the Martian leaders....a) mod em in, or b) pick one of the MANY existing threads to perpetuate. There are more than plenty of these threads without starting a new one. Heck, if you picked a post AT RANDOM on this board, it would have a large probability of being in a hitler thread. Go find one of those.

Please.

 

[Eternalsteelfan]

Nice little paragraph.

Here's a half dozen threads, most over 20 pages long, where people argue with both less well and better reasoned arguments.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152377
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=120294
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=38925
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=123823
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=122410



http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=109725

This horse was dead and beaten even before the darn game was released.

That last thread was about how someone's making Hitler leaderheads. You want Hitler/Stalin/Marvin the Martian leaders....a) mod em in, or b) pick one of the MANY existing threads to perpetuate. There are more than plenty of these threads without starting a new one. Heck, if you picked a post AT RANDOM on this board, it would have a large probability of being in a hitler thread. Go find one of those.

Please.

Ummm, thanks for taking all that time to find those links. Unfortunately, it isn't really of concern to me what has been discussed in those threads. I read THIS thread about AI PERSONALITY/LEADERS, not expansion civilizations, and posted my response in THIS thread. This is simply hypothetically discussion, since you obviously have nothing to contribute to THIS thread besides inflammatory remarks put all that time you spent finding those threads to good use and post in one of THEM, please.

 

[Barruk]

Good try, but the French and Germans are both Germanic....

As are most Italians....English, and Spanish. Read your history.QUOTE]

Yes: I know European history quite well, thank you very much. The point is that the leaders in Civilization represent a National heritage, not an ethnic one. Thus, Alexander is properly Greek (not Macdonian), Victoria is properly English, not German (which she was), and Isabella is the Queen of Spain, not of Castille. By your argument, Richard I would be King of France, and James I would be King of Scotland: they are both remembered as English Kings.

The main differentiation you are referring to are the difference between the ealier Celtic populations in Europe and the later Aryans. Yes, of course the Franks were an Aryan traibe, but so was everyone else that was invading western europe at that time. You have to look at history SUBSEQUENT to the Aryan invasion to determine the national identity of a particular leader. Five hundred years after Charlemagne, the dyanasties he founded in what we now call Italy and Germany had faded, there was still an unbroken line of descendants ruling in France and England.

 

[Eternalsteelfan]

... You have to look at history SUBSEQUENT to the Aryan invasion to determine the national identity of a particular leader. Five hundred years after Charlemagne, the dyanasties he founded in what we now call Italy and Germany had faded, there was still an unbroken line of descendants ruling in France and England.

I still think Charlemagne would be a German leader .Charlemagne's Empire-> Charles Martel's Holy Roman Empire-> Austria-Hungary and Prussia -> Unified Germany under Bismarck. The Holy Roman Empire succeeded Charlemagne's empire, present day Germany-> large part of HRE.

 

[cuchulain]

Greece: Pericles
Rome: Augustus though there are tons of good choices
Egypt: Ramses or Khufu
Inca: Atahualpa
Celts/Irish: Brian Boru / Vercingetorix (Im assuming Ireland and Scotland will be lumped into the generic Celtic civ which is a damned shame.)
Viking: Lodbrok, Halfdane or Bloodaxe
Ottoman: Mehmed II


Charlamagne should be in there somewhere
Who will lead Israel?

 

[RandomInsanity]

Civs that only have one leader
Arabs
Aztecs
Egypt
Greece
Inca
Japan
Mali
Persia
Rome
Spain

this is insane! Rome, greece, and egypt having only ONE leader?!?!? out of their thousands of year of history???
Sure I can understand mali, inca and aztecs, because the information is obscure to the general populous.

Egypt needs Djoser, Ramses III, or Thutmose III, Akhenaten might be interesting as well
i don't think the Ptolemaic or later periods should be considered.

I can't believe rome only got one
Vespasian (or Titus), Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Auerelius, and Constantine are all good choices.
Nero would just be too awsome though (1% chance of your capital burning down every turn )

I dont know much about greek history, but Pericles seems to be popular, maybe Philip?

 

[Eternalsteelfan]

Greece: Pericles
Rome: Augustus though there are tons of good choices
Egypt: Ramses or Khufu
Inca: Atahualpa
Celts/Irish: Brian Boru / Vercingetorix (Im assuming Ireland and Scotland will be lumped into the generic Celtic civ which is a damned shame.)
Viking: Lodbrok, Halfdane or Bloodaxe
Ottoman: Mehmed II


Charlamagne should be in there somewhere
Who will lead Israel?

I don't know, Israel hasn't been around very long, maybe Sharon or Golda Meir.

 

[mitsho]

I don't know, Israel hasn't been around very long, maybe Sharon or Golda Meir.

Israel doesn't deserve to be a civilization. The Hebrews do! So, it is quite clear that Solomon or David should be the leader. Undisputed the most able!

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[Frostyboy]

Charlemagne was Frankish and later a Holy Roman Emperor, so he could be either French OR German.

If Charlemagne is included, he will either appear in a mod OR as the king of a new Frankish civilzation (which is unrealisitc to expect from Firaxis)

 

[cuchulain]

I'm not naive enough to think the Franks will make it as an expansion civ, but it would still be cool. The only way the Franks will make it is if there is a Dark Ages scenario. Which brings me to another point: This isn't an attemot to thread-jack, but I really hope Friaxis releases one BIG expansion instead of 2 like they did for Civ3. PTW got torn a new one by critics for not having enough content. It was cool to have 20ish new civs by the time Conquests came out but I hope they don't release two expansions again. I thought this issue would come up more in the forums, but no one else seems to care. I would expect, since mutliplayer is already taken care of, they could come up with a single expansion with a lot of civs and some scenarios as well.

 

[Barruk]

I like the idea of Akhenaten for an Egyptian ruler, he would be an interesting contrast to the current single ruler. I've come to realize, as FrostyBoy brought out, that Charlemagne really could not either be a French or a German leader, the Frankish civ. was a distinct separate culture that later spawned both the French and the German nation states, but only many centuries after his death. I emailed a history professor at Western Washington U about this over the weekend and this is the response I received:

I don't know that anyone from Charlemagne's time had anything like our modern notion of the nation-state, so I'm not sure it matters how we classify him. - Ed

So there it stands....... Charlemagne was a force onto himself: and any Civ IV game including him would have to be a custom scenario based around that time period.