PH04: One Happy Family

[pholkhero]

Are you sure?? To me, w/o something like a PA, it seems like it would be the same mechanic as when HC were to offer to become the vassal of GK independently, but i may be missing something.

 

[karr1255]

I thought you mean mid war. Szenario: GK and we are at war with HC. If HC now becomes GKs vassal, all parties are at peace. Capitulation will automatically make peace between us and HC in this case (and GK and HC obviously). If we redeclare of course that's another story.

If you mean something else forget what I said.

 

[pholkhero]

That's what i meant, but here's how i see it. We declare on HC. We talk to GK, he declares on HC, so there's two wars: us v. HC & GK v. HC. Now, if either of us were to vassalize HC, his other war would become our war, as if HC asked GK independently to be his vassal in order to get seom protection from us . . . but the capitulation aspect may change all that. I just don't want to get into a situation where we have to defend against GK.

 

[karr1255]

No in this case the war stops. Everyone who was at war with HC will be at peace with him if he capitulates. Otherwise you would get really f***ed by the system.

 

[pholkhero]

yes, that would totally screw you . . . which is why i thought it was a part ofthe vassal system

 

[Scowler]

[continued...]

(4) 1620AD
- Constitution -> SciMeth, and we revolt to Representation
- Delhi: cannon -> Hindu miss. This only takes one turn, which is convenient as I am now going to whip the University at Shangian, allowing me to start building Oxford University next turn.
- Karachi: forge -> Hindu miss
- Lighthouse whipped at Kolhapur. We ought to think about building a settler to plant another city on the eastern tip of this island to grab the sea resource.

(5) 1625AD
- Delhi: miss -> Oxford University
- Bombay: Grocer -> Gren
- Shangian: University -> Courthouse
- Kolhapur: Lighthouse -> Courthouse
- Ramesses has just come to the end of a Golden Age, which has taken him into the lead and provided him with Corporation (which is isn't willing to consider trading at the moment)

(6) 1630AD
- Hinduism has spread to Tabriz of its own accord - excellent!

(7) 1635AD
- Bangalore: Gren -> Gren (NB: we need two more Forges before we can build Ironworks here...)
- Calcutta: Gren -> Theatre. The cultural pressure here is really becoming a problem. Building a Theatre will help, but ideally we could do with an Artist specialist if we have enough food.
- Karachi: Hindu miss -> Gren - I've only just noticed that the city doesn't have any defenders!
- A missionary spreads Hinduism in Tacape: only three Carthaginian cities left to be converted

(8) 1640AD
- Madras: Observatory -> Christian Temple to keep the inhabitants singing happy songs
- HC's Golden Age is now over, and it seems that he has finally learned the secrets of Gunpowder...

(9) 1645AD
- Meths is in; time to chase the free Physics teacher
- We have oil! There is a dirty splat covering the otherwise useless desert tile south of Karachi, with another just off the coast further south, and one more in the unclaimed area south-east of Tabriz:

- Bombay: Gren -> Gren
- Ugh! What is this!?!?:

I hope he is not planning to settle on OUR island.

(10) 1650AD
- Delhi completes Oxford Uni, which knocks a couple of turns off Physics. The city starts on yet another gren.
- Madras: Christian Temple -> Hindu miss
- Calcutta: Theatre -> Forge. I still think the city could do with more food, at least until we manage to push the borders out a bit further.
- Lahore: Hindu Mandir -> Granary. No food worries here. The city just needs to grow more quickly.
- Sure enough, HC has dumped his unwanted settler onto the island. Certainly don't want that there if we are about to declare war. He can't do much damage with just one sword, but it will be an annoyance.

My plan is this: I've moved a galleon across to the east of Bangalore; a grenadier will be completed and able to embark next turn. Another gren is currently on its way from Bombay and will reach the galleon at the same time, so the two units can be ferried across to the island.

Further north, we have three stacks at the choke point south of Coriwotsits. Genghis's/Mansa's borders are still closed so this is the only way through, unless he sends units by ship. I've upgraded all the maces to grens, including several with City Raider promotions. There are also a number of cannons, although I didn't have enough money to upgrade any of the cats or trebs.

If we want Genghis and Mansa to declare war on HC they are willing to do so for the following:

However, I would recommend this deal instead, to avoid the possibility of Genghis adopting Free Religion afterwards:

Note his climbing power rating. He has just researched Corporation to boost his income and already has a sizeable pot of gold. It would be nice to do him some damage before he can research Chemistry and upgrade to grens...

Finally, we have a sleeping Scientist waiting for some action. What shall we do with him?

Save​

 

[pholkhero]

Nice playing ~ what can the scientist research? Also, did you end up declaring on HC yet?

Roster:
Pholkhero >> on deck
Karr1255 >>
Robo Kai >>
Scowler >> just played
Xerol >> UP NOW

 

[Xerol]

I think you're going to have to find a permanent replacement for me. Basically, civ is effed on my computer.

 

[pholkhero]

okay, i will pick it up tonight and play. I also am going to advertise in the Registration thread as well for 1 or 2 more people ~

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Xerol, it wouldn't have anything to do with that DRM hack you're working on, would it?

 

[pholkhero]

Well this is going to be short and sweet b/c i'm not feeling too good.

I start off the war on my first turn:

I also dial up GK to get in on the fun. This gets us up to Friendly with him.

I also merged the GS into Delhi as a super-scientist. I figure we'll get another in a few turns.

I also took care of that tiny city on OUR island.

We need a settler for there.

Here's the situation around Corihua... in 1670.

Before:

After:

And look, too.

All those generals AND mansa got a GA as well!

2 turns later, Andahua... falls.

I also merge our GG into a grenadier to get us a Medic III unit:

I felt merging him into a city wouldn't be prudent since we won't have too much warring to go.

Here's our new GS, born a'la Physics:

Here's our tech path, too:

30 turns to MM. Unfortunately, i had to drop down the Sci to boost culture to combat a little unhappiness, but . . .

HC begs for his life:

No. Capitulation or bust.

And here's Cuzco, ripe to fall:

~ also, Lahore needs the Hermitage whipped whenever possible.

Roster:
Pholkhero >>
Karr1255 >> UP NOW
Robo Kai >> on deck
Scowler >> just played

The Save

time to go

 

[Ozbenno]

@pholk: 30 turns until you win this thing and you're advertising for additional members .

If I wasn't so busy with PH03, I'd love to slot in after Scowler .

 

[pholkhero]

well

a) i posted BEFORE i played

b) i'm *hoping* we're done in 30 turns and that the votes all go our way (as Hannie is a bit Pleased with Hatty)

c) you're a jerk

You've Been Drafted!

Roster:
Pholkhero >>
Karr1255 >> UP NOW
Robo Kai >> on deck
Scowler >> just played
Ozbenno >> trying to be funny, but not succeeding ~

 

[Xerol]

Well, even with faster tech, you've still got to BUILD the UN, get elected as sec-general, and THEN win the diplo vote, which is at least 50 turns in total.

 

[Meatbuster]

Now the little snitch here, is how to get Hannibal to vote for us instead of Rameses. I Think we've already maxed out the +4 tech trading bonus. So here's what's left:

1. 1 gold for our resource deals?
2. run Free Market which happens to be his favorite civic?
3. war with Izzy then pay Hannibal to get in?

As for the Great Sci, I think we should lightbulb Electricity now since they (if I remember correctly) will not lightbulb Radio with the techs that we have.

 

[Meatbuster]

One more thing, karr, it's your turn on the hammerless challenge and you say you can't play and report for 2-3 days. So I would like to swap... and I'll play later.

 

[Ozbenno]

Teach me to open my big mouth heh . Anyway, pholk, weren't you meant to be off ing

You can get more then the +4 diplo modifier from tech trading. You can also get a +1 "you shared your discoveries with us", which I think comes from giving or trading a tech that no other AI has (may be wrong on that though).

 

[pholkhero]

i went off to bed....and woke up at a few hours later....now still up

 

[Meatbuster]

Playing now.
Hey pholk, you call THAT a short report? Come on, my reports are even less than 1/2 of that report.

EDIT: Did we research Chemistry? That means Great Sci will lightbulb Biology first before Electricity. Oh well.

 

[pholkhero]

i know

actually, though, i was merely just going to post the pics, but some of them didn't make sense b/c i was in no mood to crop the unimportant stuff out.

also, HC may capitulate once Cuzco falls ~