Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
What kind of sea law is that? "You cannot have people with guns on your boat because that isn't sporting my good chap"
Pirates on the rise!
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blackheart
unenlightened
Stylesrj said:
I don't know and I'm not sure, but it probably stems from military vessels boarding merchant ships and privateering efforts...
Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
I say there should be something done about those pirates. Perhaps they could stick some torpedo tubes and rotating cannons on merchant vessels so they can give a nice torpedo into a pirate ship's butt and the large cannons can be used to put really big holes in their boats. Either that or have some aircraft as escorts, really good planes
Nobody
Gangster
It probably cheaper to pay the pirates than get all that gear on every cargo ship. Another way is to have the SBS or Seals to set a few sting operations, then take all the pirates up on the deck and hang them. remind pirates of the old days.
Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
Pirates in the old days kicked butt, but they were no match for the English and their powerful ships
skadistic
Caomhanach
Nobody said:
Pirates aren't paid off. They take the ship, the whole ship, goods and all offload and sell the goods.
blackheart
unenlightened
Stylesrj said:
The English WERE the pirates in the old days. Privateering?
Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
I say stores that buy good off the pirates should have a sign on the door saying "We don't trade with pirates" that might ward a few of them off
Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
Well Privateering was common, but if a pirate got into trouble, it's their bad luck and they wouldn't be helped by their mother country. Only Captain Jack Sparrow can be a good pirate without being hired by a country
7ronin
海軍少佐
Piracy increases the costs of international trade. If insurance rates go up then sooner or later it's going to indirectly affect your pocket book.
Unfortunately the countries in whose waters the pirates operate seem either incapable or uninterested in cracking down on them.
Manning merchant ships with armed guards is probably viewed as prohibitively expensive and in any case probably impractical given the huge numbers of merchant ships sailing today.
Fire hoses can be a very effective weapon.
Unfortunately the countries in whose waters the pirates operate seem either incapable or uninterested in cracking down on them.
Manning merchant ships with armed guards is probably viewed as prohibitively expensive and in any case probably impractical given the huge numbers of merchant ships sailing today.
Fire hoses can be a very effective weapon.
soul_warrior
Termite!
Merchant ships CANNOT have military personnel on them.
if they do, that ship become a MILITARY ship, and as such cannot enter the territorial waters of others, or risk it seeming a DoW.
add to this the HUGE cost of maintaining an adequate defense on a ship (lets assume that a 50000 tonne ship has a crew of 12-15)
where will you put them? will you use 6-8 as guards>? who will ship the ship?
i believe that insuring ships would be MUCH cheaper than maintaing a merc force.
***
give the ship crew guns?
are you mad?
if you were a sailor, getting paid what measly amout they are, would you risk your life for your boss?
whats to stop the pirates from getting bigger, meaner, guns?
or kill everyone?
life at sea is harsh, but thta way the crews, by offering little resistance reduce the chances of them being killed off.
its just not in the pirates interest to kill them (results would be some SERIOUS naval hunt parties, and a pirateship is no match to a destroyer)
its all basic economics really
the pirates will to the minimum amount of work, for the max profit the can.
add in the risk factor, and there you have it
if they do, that ship become a MILITARY ship, and as such cannot enter the territorial waters of others, or risk it seeming a DoW.
add to this the HUGE cost of maintaining an adequate defense on a ship (lets assume that a 50000 tonne ship has a crew of 12-15)
where will you put them? will you use 6-8 as guards>? who will ship the ship?
i believe that insuring ships would be MUCH cheaper than maintaing a merc force.
***
give the ship crew guns?
are you mad?
if you were a sailor, getting paid what measly amout they are, would you risk your life for your boss?
whats to stop the pirates from getting bigger, meaner, guns?
or kill everyone?
life at sea is harsh, but thta way the crews, by offering little resistance reduce the chances of them being killed off.
its just not in the pirates interest to kill them (results would be some SERIOUS naval hunt parties, and a pirateship is no match to a destroyer)
its all basic economics really
the pirates will to the minimum amount of work, for the max profit the can.
add in the risk factor, and there you have it
Abaddon
Deity
R!
is all i have to say...
is all i have to say...
Stylesrj
Tabitha SEAL
Still, if a crew member had a rifle or something, they could pick off the pirates with it until he/she runs out of bullets. Of course they'd return fire, but come on, if you can risk splashing pirates off with a fire hose, you can risk knocking them off with a gun
Illustrious
Becoming Colonel Blimp
Why no marines/guns on merchant ships?
Probably a European Union thang: it would violate the "human rights" of the pirates.....
Probably a European Union thang: it would violate the "human rights" of the pirates.....
The shipping companies could put a bomb in one of their crates. And then if the crates got jacked, they could detonate the bombs.
We use a similar technique on the ants around the house.
We use a similar technique on the ants around the house.
skadistic
Caomhanach
El_Machinae said:
How do you get bombs that small?
I always thought that on open waters there were no laws.
Maybe its 'cause I'm a gun lovin' American Redneck but if I was working on a vessle in open sees my duffle bag would damn sure have a side arm and assult rifle in it.
In no particular order here:
- Firehoses are excellent anti-boarder weapons (and seawater works just as well on fires as freshwater, plus there's so much more of it available
).
- Individual country laws restricting firearms is what prevents most merchant ships from carrying weapons on board.
- Aside from the guns or lack thereof, merchant ships are notably different from naval ships in their lack of crew - every crewman a shipping company can automate away on a merchant is pure money saved; naval ships have plenty available because profit isn't a factor. Thus, at sea merchant ships have very few watchstanders, and hiring private guards/mercenaries wouldn't be very effective because moderately crappy commercial radars just don't see small craft that don't want to be seen anyway.
- Firehoses are excellent anti-boarder weapons (and seawater works just as well on fires as freshwater, plus there's so much more of it available
).- Individual country laws restricting firearms is what prevents most merchant ships from carrying weapons on board.
- Aside from the guns or lack thereof, merchant ships are notably different from naval ships in their lack of crew - every crewman a shipping company can automate away on a merchant is pure money saved; naval ships have plenty available because profit isn't a factor. Thus, at sea merchant ships have very few watchstanders, and hiring private guards/mercenaries wouldn't be very effective because moderately crappy commercial radars just don't see small craft that don't want to be seen anyway.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Hey pal, every major power had privateer operations running, that includes France, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, even the United States. The British one are the most famous ones, like Sir Francis Drake, or Captain Kidd.blackheart said:
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