Pirates Or Ninjas? (Or The Underdog, Zombies?)

[Paradigne]

Pirate Ninja Zombies FTW

 

[Stormrage]

Why would they need to step on land? A few cannons will deal with the majority of zombies, and a pirate can outfight a ninja on his home turf.

So they don`t like.. die, cos they have no fresh water, and there is only so much rum a ship can take? Also, a pirate couldn`t find a bathroom in his own house, if he was fortunate enought to have one, let alon outfight a ninja. Besides, ninjas don`t fight. They kill you before you notice it, even if they are not using stealth.

 

[Nuka-sama]

Just look at my Avatar. Orochimaru automaticly defeats everything. Orochumaru is a ninja. Ninjas win. End of story.

 

[Catharsis]

So they don`t like.. die, cos they have no fresh water, and there is only so much rum a ship can take?

I assumed this to be a straightforward deathmatch, not a siege. Oneperson, could you clarify? This may be an important detail.

Also, a pirate couldn`t find a bathroom in his own house, if he was fortunate enought to have one, let alon outfight a ninja.

That's a common misconception, but it's inexcusable if you want to seriously debate the pirate/ninja question. Pirates have to be skilled swordsmen. They have to be able to use their ship as an extension of themselves when fighting. In reality, pirates and ninjas are remarkably similar, but pirates fight for money, not honour.

Besides, ninjas don`t fight. They kill you before you notice it, even if they are not using stealth.

If it was on his ship, a suitably veteran pirate would notice even a ninja.

 

[oneperson]

This is an all out deathmatch, not a siege. Imagine a Halo 2 Team Deathmatch - Then switch Red with Ninjas and Blue with Pirates.

 

[Slaughter]

Then what are the zombies doing, then? They are the Flood?

And I think Pirates would win because they have guns. SUPERMAN is faster than a speeding bullet. Ninjas aren't.

And the New Reno Families would beat then all!

 

[Catharsis]

This is an all out deathmatch, not a siege. Imagine a Halo 2 Team Deathmatch - Then switch Red with Ninjas and Blue with Pirates.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. So the pirates could fight without the threat of running out of rum.

And Slaughter makes a good point. Come on, they have guns.

 

[Stormrage]

Ninjas can dodge guns. Also, ninjas never fought for money, thats just western romanticism. They were ruthless and vile mercenaries and assassines, thieves and murderers. But they wore black pajamas so all is forgiven, and they are still cool.

And it can`t be a deathmatch if one group is hiding on a ship at sea (where their guns are, the guns that every pirate-lover seems to rely on). Even tho ninjas can run on water, its still pointless. Let them pirates sit there and rot, while ninjaz slice some zombies and rule teh world!

 

[Catharsis]

Ninjas can dodge guns.

Oh yes, they can dodge guns. But can they dodge bullets? Seems to me, public, that our ninja-loving friend here doesn't understand the purpose of a gun. He thinks you just use it like a club, like in medieval times, where he comes from. Do we want a person like that running the country deciding who wins in a fight?

Also, ninjas never fought for money, thats just western romanticism. They were ruthless and vile mercenaries and assassines, thieves and murderers. But they wore black pajamas so all is forgiven, and they are still cool.

When did I say they fought for money? I said pirates fought for money. You sir are attempting to twist my words, which implies that you are some sort of communist (boo!) or perhaps a ninja yourself!

And it can`t be a deathmatch if one group is hiding on a ship at sea (where their guns are, the guns that every pirate-lover seems to rely on). Even tho ninjas can run on water, its still pointless. Let them pirates sit there and rot, while ninjaz slice some zombies and rule teh world!

Hiding? The ninja-lover derides the pirate camp for 'hiding'? That's rich. What's a ninja's only effective tactic? Hiding. And they don't have a honking great ship to give their opponents a clue, either. Bunch of cowards. Pirates would shoot them good and slice the survivors (and the zombies).

 

[psweetman1590]

I think an important point to make here is that the guns that were used in the age of pirates were one-shot guns... then reload... which would take about 40 seconds... then take another shot... then reload....

40 seconds is enough time for one ninja to kill 80 pirates.

And people seem to be making a big deal out of a pirate's ships too. However, considering that Ninjas are based off of their ability to hide, those cannons really won't be able to do much. You can't blast what you can't see. Heck, back then, they didn't even have exploding shells, so all you were really doing is firing a bowling ball into you-know-not-what, hoping you hit something that has a vague resemblence to a ninja.

Ninjas were extremely pragmatic. They would not be stupid enough to fight the pirate in the rigging. Rather, catch the enemy where he is neither prepared nor expecting to be caught.

Ninjas had to train for many many years before they were allowed to be hired. As a class, their physical conditioning, sense of balance, and martial skills were second to none. Even having to fight on the deck of ship, the pirate (who is usually not in such a great shape, perhaps drunk as well, and relying on only rudimentary training with a short sword) would not stand a chance.

Yes, they got guns. If it weren't for that, this would not be a battle, it would be a slaughter. As it is, though, the ninjas would actually have to work in order to win. But win they would.

 

[Catharsis]

I think an important point to make here is that the guns that were used in the age of pirates were one-shot guns... then reload... which would take about 40 seconds... then take another shot... then reload....

40 seconds is enough time for one ninja to kill 80 pirates.

A good point, which is why the pirates would adopt a formation wherein the gun-toting pirates (savour that image for a while) would shoot, and the cutlass-wielding pirates would go for the wounded enemy while the other pirates reloaded.

And people seem to be making a big deal out of a pirate's ships too. However, considering that Ninjas are based off of their ability to hide, those cannons really won't be able to do much. You can't blast what you can't see. Heck, back then, they didn't even have exploding shells, so all you were really doing is firing a bowling ball into you-know-not-what, hoping you hit something that has a vague resemblence to a ninja.

No, the cannons are for the zombies. Although you could do considerable damage to a dojo with one of those cannons... The ninjas should either be dealt with on the ship, or left on land until they get bored and wander off to mercenary for someone else.

Ninjas were extremely pragmatic. They would not be stupid enough to fight the pirate in the rigging. Rather, catch the enemy where he is neither prepared nor expecting to be caught.

Can't do that on a ship, though, can you? A true pirate knows his ship like the back of his beard (which is surprisingly well).

Ninjas had to train for many many years before they were allowed to be hired. As a class, their physical conditioning, sense of balance, and martial skills were second to none. Even having to fight on the deck of ship, the pirate (who is usually not in such a great shape, perhaps drunk as well, and relying on only rudimentary training with a short sword) would not stand a chance.

Pirates function better when drunk.

The answer is simple. In order for pirates to beat ninjas, it must be conveyed to the pirates that the ninjas are after their booty. The pirate will fight like a man possessed. All the training in the world couldn't prepare a ninja for a pirate who stands to be slightly poorer if he loses.

Yes, they got guns. If it weren't for that, this would not be a battle, it would be a slaughter. As it is, though, the ninjas would actually have to work in order to win. But win they would.

Nah, the ninjas would just end up fighting each other. They're solitary creatures. How can they stand up to a motley crew of pirates?

 

[Love]

See my avatar. See my faith, see my downloaded files at my computer...

 

[Slaughter]

Ninjas can dodge guns. Also, ninjas never fought for money, thats just western romanticism. They were ruthless and vile mercenaries and assassines, thieves and murderers. But they wore black pajamas so all is forgiven, and they are still cool.

And it can`t be a deathmatch if one group is hiding on a ship at sea (where their guns are, the guns that every pirate-lover seems to rely on). Even tho ninjas can run on water, its still pointless. Let them pirates sit there and rot, while ninjaz slice some zombies and rule teh world!

That's a contradction, right there.

And I think Pirates would win mainly because Guns>>>Shurikens (altrough Guns reload slowly and Shurikens don't need reloading, obviosly).

But what would determine Pirate Victory is the ships. Zombies aren't a threat to Pirates. They can just hit them from away. While Ninjas need to get nearby to deal with them properly, as a Shuriken can not kill a Zombie. So, Ninjas and Zombies are forced to fight between themselves while the Pirates are blasting the stuff outta everything and drinking rum. All the pirates need to wait is for the winner to be sorted out. Probrably zombies, as ninjas have to get closes, altrough they are faster than Zombies.

 

[Stormrage]

Oh yes, they can dodge guns. But can they dodge bullets? Seems to me, public, that our ninja-loving friend here doesn't understand the purpose of a gun. He thinks you just use it like a club, like in medieval times, where he comes from. Do we want a person like that running the country deciding who wins in a fight?

If we are talking about guns as pistols, then yeah, they mostly used them as clubs being totally incompetent to reload them.

When did I say they fought for money? I said pirates fought for money. You sir are attempting to twist my words, which implies that you are some sort of communist (boo!) or perhaps a ninja yourself!

sorry bout that, I meant to say they didn`t fight for honour.

Hiding? The ninja-lover derides the pirate camp for 'hiding'? That's rich. What's a ninja's only effective tactic? Hiding. And they don't have a honking great ship to give their opponents a clue, either. Bunch of cowards. Pirates would shoot them good and slice the survivors (and the zombies).

Ninjas don`t hide. They`re so stealthy that you simply cannot see them. They`re not even trying. If they were trying to hide they could probably kill someone in the US, while being in a whore house in Singapur for the whole time.

 

[psweetman1590]

A good point, which is why the pirates would adopt a formation wherein the gun-toting pirates (savour that image for a while) would shoot, and the cutlass-wielding pirates would go for the wounded enemy while the other pirates reloaded.

Formations? What are you talking about? Pirates might be good fighters individually, but they aren't soldiers here. They know nothing about formations.

Can't do that on a ship, though, can you? A true pirate knows his ship like the back of his beard (which is surprisingly well).

I'm sure you know your house just as well. And yet, if you own a cat, I'm certain you've been surprised by that cat more than a handful of times. Just because you know where everything is supposed to be doesn't mean you can see through walls, or in darkness. In fact, knowing where everything should be is an assassin's best friend - it means that the target has a routine, and that they can be ambushed, and caught off guard.

Pirates function better when drunk.

Hahaha, touche!

The answer is simple. In order for pirates to beat ninjas, it must be conveyed to the pirates that the ninjas are after their booty. The pirate will fight like a man possessed. All the training in the world couldn't prepare a ninja for a pirate who stands to be slightly poorer if he loses.

Ninjas fight like men possessed... no, scratch that... Ninjas ARE men possessed by the kami of death. So, both sides are possessed and fighting like maniacs, then the point of difference is that ninjas are better conditioned and better trained.

Nah, the ninjas would just end up fighting each other. They're solitary creatures.

That is a common misconception based off of the fact that usually ninjas worked alone for reasons of stealth. If a group/clan (whatever they're called) were assigned a particularly large job - like killing a lot of pirates - then they would formulate a plan and execute it together, with coordination and teamwork. Ninjas are all about efficiency.

 

[Catharsis]

If we are talking about guns as pistols, then yeah, they mostly used them as clubs being totally incompetent to reload them.

Pirates aren't stupid, that's a common misconception (fast becoming the phrase of the thread). Skilled pirates have taken over ships much larger and more powerful than theirs. That's smart.

sorry bout that, I meant to say they didn`t fight for honour.

Alright, so they both fight for money. My original point (that they are similar) still stands - in fact, even more so now.

Ninjas don`t hide. They`re so stealthy that you simply cannot see them. They`re not even trying. If they were trying to hide they could probably kill someone in the US, while being in a whore house in Singapur for the whole time.

They're still hiding, just not actively. And a pirate could easily sense a ninja, so long as the ninja in question was somewhere near the pirate's gold. Pirates are pretty antsy about who goes near their gold.

Formations? What are you talking about? Pirates might be good fighters individually, but they aren't soldiers here. They know nothing about formations.

True. But I'm sure that if they were faced with a horde of zombies and a dojo's-worth of ninjas, they'd work something out. I would.

I'm sure you know your house just as well. And yet, if you own a cat, I'm certain you've been surprised by that cat more than a handful of times.

And that's why I'm not a pirate.

Just because you know where everything is supposed to be doesn't mean you can see through walls, or in darkness. In fact, knowing where everything should be is an assassin's best friend - it means that the target has a routine, and that they can be ambushed, and caught off guard.

That holds true in a house, but the pirate is on a ship. A ship is something you control. If two people were fighting in the cockpit of a fighter jet, which one has the upper hand: the one that doesn't know where the ejector seat is, or the one that does?

Ninjas fight like men possessed... no, scratch that... Ninjas ARE men possessed by the kami of death. So, both sides are possessed and fighting like maniacs, then the point of difference is that ninjas are better conditioned and better trained.

The kami of death? That's just an anime/manga myth. Perhaps the ninjas in Dragonball Z or your Magic: The Gathering cards are possessed by this mysterious kami, but a real ninja is just a guy who wears too much black and hides a lot. Pirates have the upper hand, pirates win again.

That is a common misconception based off of the fact that usually ninjas worked alone for reasons of stealth. If a group/clan (whatever they're called) were assigned a particularly large job - like killing a lot of pirates - then they would formulate a plan and execute it together, with coordination and teamwork. Ninjas are all about efficiency.

Alright, I'll concede that. If the pirates can work together (as described above) then so can the ninjas. (Probably not the zombies, though.) If the ninjas tried to attack one by one, then the pirates would slaughter them.

 

[D'Artagnan59]

Pirate Ninjas will win.

 

[Gilder]

It's obvious the ninjas will be wowing over themselves of how awesome they think they are. Seriously. Every ninja-worshipper thinks them as superhuman killers.

So while they're fawning over themselves think how great they are, they get overtaken by the zombie horde.

And since zombies are technically dead to begin with, pirates win by default.

 

[psweetman1590]

True. But I'm sure that if they were faced with a horde of zombies and a dojo's-worth of ninjas, they'd work something out. I would.

You hope.

That holds true in a house, but the pirate is on a ship. A ship is something you control. If two people were fighting in the cockpit of a fighter jet, which one has the upper hand: the one that doesn't know where the ejector seat is, or the one that does?

Aside from the obvious rebuttal that there is no ejector seat on a ship (or anything that could possibly be construed as its equivalent), I could quite easily point out that knowing your surroundings is only useful up to a point, and that knowing your ship does not give you any extra sensory perception that would allow you to magically know that there is a ninja waiting in the next room that will gladly slice you in two. A pirate CAN be surprised on his own ship.

The kami of death? That's just an anime/manga myth. Perhaps the ninjas in Dragonball Z or your Magic: The Gathering cards are possessed by this mysterious kami, but a real ninja is just a guy who wears too much black and hides a lot. Pirates have the upper hand, pirates win again.

Saying that any man will become possessed by anything is just myth. You saying that a pirate will fight like a man possessed is flawed by the fact that no one can fight as if they are possessed if they are not, in fact, possessed. So, where is this "upper hand" you say they have? Is it mounted on their heads?

And I don't watch/am not interested in Dragonball or those odd card games that everyone seems to obsess about.

It's obvious the ninjas will be wowing over themselves of how awesome they think they are. Seriously. Every ninja-worshipper thinks them as superhuman killers.

True, because ninja worshippers are idiots. So are pirate worshippers. That has zero effect on the demeanor of either the pirates or the ninjas.

 

[Gilder]

True, because ninja worshippers are idiots. So are pirate worshippers. That has zero effect on the demeanor of either the pirates or the ninjas.

The ninjas will automatically assume that nothing can touch them, because that is the common thought on ninjas. You yourself said that:

40 seconds is enough time for one ninja to kill 80 pirates.

Which is completely impossible. Pirate worshippers aren't as impractical.