This, This This! 1000 times This! And Chess isnt even 100% fair. White has the advantage, especially in low- average level play.Civ4 is not chess. It will never be 100% fair.
A part of the fun is that it's a little bit random.
As many here already know, I relish a thread with lots of posting and fighting and arguing, but I refreain from that on RB out of respect and good manners (which I have only learned over years at this) Thanks for your kind invite to keep participating. I will continue to post and discuss stuff over thereSummer- RB aren't precious. Your posts have been perfectly reasonable and well thought out. If you've changed your mind or want to discuss a point, please feel free to do so there. There aren't that many posts because we're mad- that's just RB.
LP, I want to say that I have developed a tremendous amount of respect for you since I first became active on CFC, whereas I was formerly kind of a dick to you in the past, which I am sorry for, but I learned from it at least. That being said:I guess the main thing for me is that I'd be more comfortable if I had some personal experience testing this mod ... I'd just be more comfortable knowing from my own experience how something works.
First of all, I agree with your concerns with trying to use stationary extra workers to block sabotage. It is still a disadvantage to the 1st player in War. 2nd position is waaay better off in this area.
Now about the APT or "Spanish Mod" as we have been calling it, just put that aside... Think of this... Not just LP but everyone. We all have experience. We all want respect for our experience. Each community, and the players there have different ideas about what works in these games. Each feels "I am experienced and knowledgeable. My ways, Mods, rules have been tested and work well" But among the experienced, we must comprimise right?
In other words I must play with some unfamiliar settings, and you must do the same. In this way, we have a true "game" in the sense that no one knows perfectly what to expect. Everyone has some degree of disadvantage, some learning curve, some opportunity to learn new tricks and tactics. Are we saying that we have learned all there is to know and we dont care to learn anything else?
This is an old argument between the two of us. I will respond in more detail later (as this post is already quite long). Just be assured that I still disagree, and having spent the last 2 years of my life studying the Espionage system and implementing it in BTS MTDG II, I am better able to reason this issue out than I was when we last discussed it.The main problem comes when you have some very large and powerful nations, and some relatively small and weak ones. The tiny civs have no real chance to win anyway, so lose little to nothing by switching to crappy civics themselves. They then have an incredibly disproportionate influence over the game by choosing which large nation's economy to throw into complete disarray using a vastly underpriced mission. (Consider that it costs only barely more EP's than it does to revolt 1 city for 1 turn to destroy an entire nation's economy for up to 5 turns - if not permanently. The problem is that the mission cost is far too cheap to begin with, and furthermore does not scale properly with empire size.)
This is what it all boils down to, no? All the rest of what you said is captured in this statement. This is why I am not yet convinced and must read more on this issue. What you say sounds much like what I have heard in the past about espy... "AI dont do it, so I am not prepared for it, so I dont know how to deal with it, so it annoys me, and I dont feel like learning how to use it, so lets just ban it." One guy uses it well, one time, where everyone was not expecting it, and so were caught off guard... And so we MUST ban it?!? How about we prepare better next time?I mean, it was effective, but it made for a frustrating game for those on the receiving end of it.
You are correct of course (even if a teensy bit condescending "not completely wrong?"). Anyway, I am confident Tech Trading will be off for this game.You are not completely wrong, but some settings matter a great deal. For instance, tech trading is an EXTREMELY different game from NTT.
He did say the word "troll", but I took it as more he was conceeding that his words would be interpreted that way and he prefered not to argue about 'the peas' (whether he was 'trolling' or not), and instead focus on 'the Steak' (provoking/inspiring/convincing RB to join the pitboss, and getting some feedback on the settings... as he is the one planning it afterall.)I'm going to regret getting into this, but you yourself did say:...